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  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    You forgot "crumpets", "cup of tea", and "shrimp on the barbie".

    "Shrimp on the barbie" is Australian, I think.
  • I think that's part of the joke.

    Don't Australians actually call them prawns, though?
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Yeah. But we say "Shrimp on the barbie". I have no idea why.
  • Clean your room little Billy
    We do? I thought that phrase got swallowed up by cultural cringe ages ago?
  • edited 2011-08-07 10:54:46
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I've heard it a few times, at least.

    May have been intentional though.
  • > On the magical girls thing: you guys do realize that the OP stated it was meant to just be a "fun little project", right?

    But it's not fun for the rest of us, to see a cluttered pile of notes that everybody knows isn't going to be made into anything. Additionally, a lot of people don't find adolescent lesbian fanservice to be fun, either, nor stringing together a bunch of action sequences and hot springs episodes like that.
  • You don't need to look at it, Ivy.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    I remember the Fellowship of the Potter avatars in Buffy thingie that never took off.
  • I remember TV Tropes The TV Show. Which was not a TV Show. Which never actually got made. Which had people flake out left and right, which had no story and conveyed no emotion, which was a jumble of Mary Sues/Marty Stus and SUPER AWESOME COOL fight scenes and OMG THEY'RE INTERTWINING THEIR FINGERS SQUEEEE. Which caused a number of people to burn out, busting their ass to make the inanity work, only to realize that they were being used by other, more lazy creators.

    Which was probably the second biggest reason the Vent channel withered up and died, right behind DLC commandeering the place during the day.

    But! If there is one positive thing I can say about that fiasco, it's that the characters used for fanservice were all nineteen or older. :p
  • edited 2011-08-07 14:00:10
    It's fun for the people that participate in it, I would imagine. If they were to craft something that was fun for absolutely all viewers, they would be more skill than any writer that has ever lived.

    At any rate, my question was directed at the criticisms of writing quality as though they were after making a professional quality work. As far as I could see, that wasn't the case... it was something started just to have fun with it.

    If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. I just don't see why that particular thread is worth so many people getting worked up over.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Which lazy creators?
  • edited 2011-08-07 14:04:29
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    No, the Ventrilo channel withered up and died because it got split into many, many different rooms.

    The number of people on the Vent channel was such a small enough number already that, without cross-contamination of conversation, the room would be dead silent more than half the time.

    Not to mention the limit on the occupancy of said Vent channel.  At 20 people, that's barely enough to be a critical mass to keep anything going.  Split that up into six different rooms and you have...pretty much nothing left.  I strongly disagreed with Ironeye's splitting up the place, for this reason.

    DLC is not to blame; she was there only for a short period of time.  People trying to make the Vent channel to expressly serve TVTTTVS is more deserving of blame, as it was one reason for the partitioning of the Vent channel.

    Also, I suggested repeatedly that we should instead get a Teamspeak channel.  If you had someone running a server, you could have up to some 50 or 500 people on at once, rather than just up to 8 (free) or 20 (paid).  And Teamspeak is free.  Yes, you don't have to pay for max occupancy 20; you can just enjoy as many people as the server can allow I think.  As I said, the maximum is at least 50, if not 500, based on what I know from helping a teammate set up a server for our Mystery Hunt team.  My suggestion about Teamspeak was repeatedly ignored.
  • yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    Something Awful is not worthy of your time nor money unless you'd like to participate in the world's biggest circlejerk.
  • edited 2011-08-07 14:28:51
    ...
    > If they were to craft something that was fun for absolutely all viewers

    Strawman. Creating a work that is fun for every person on planet Earth, and for any extraterrestrials that might pick up the radio waves, is an unreasonable expectation. Creating a work that is fun for general audiences, as well as the loyal fanbase, on the other hand, is reasonable.

    > No, the Ventrilo channel withered up and died because it got split into many, many different rooms.

    Um... the three main rooms were created pretty much so people wouldn't have to put up with DLC. It didn't work, given that she would simply follow people when we moved away from her shit.

    There were rooms created before that, for TVTtTVS discussion and for sex talk, but that's because those discussions tend to be off-putting for people not actively participating in them. And if they think it's gross. Or boring. Et cetera.

    >
    Not to mention the limit on the occupancy of said Vent channel.  At 20
    people, that's barely enough to be a critical mass to keep anything
    going.

    Actually, having 20 people talking at one time is chaos. It's the same deal as with real-life conversations.

    >
    DLC is not to blame; she was there only for a short period of time.

    She was there for months. Months!

    Anyways, I am not familiar with Teamspeak, but it sounds like it would require someone to keep their computer running constantly, which given how most of us are poor college students/underemployed out-of-college, the electric bill would get to be prohibitive. :|

    @MyFireworksDoesYours: cool story bro
  • Electric Boogaloo

    tl;dr I don't know why Scrye hates the community that loved him so much.

    I guess I just don't give two shits about my e-popularity. I'm not obligated to like people back just because they have a hard-on for me, and other than me being fucking awesome, I don't really understand why the community liked me so much. Other than my little clique of friends, the only people that didn't hate me with a throbbing hate-boner like yourself were the people who actually realized I challenged everything about tropers from the beginning.

    My entire presence on tv tropes can be summed up as bluntly telling people they need to get off their lazy asses and actually go do something with their lives, to acknowledge that a vast majority of anime is complete shit with low-quality animation, little real variety, and over-sexualized themes that have no business being sexualized, that being bullied was not the worst thing to ever happen in their lives and to get over it/do something about it, that violence is a legitimate solution to some problems, and that unwarranted positive reinforcement/sympathy does not actually improve someone's life. I've been hatin' on Tv Tropes since maybe a month after I joined, and that certainly wasn't my intention when I first made an account. But being apart of the troper community simply opened my eyes up to how fucked up the community is, and I always calls 'em as I sees 'em.

    So me pointing out the shit on Tv Tropes that pisses me off is nothing new here, whether I do it on Tv Tropes, IJBM, or Something Awful. The fact that I had outspoken supporters in the community is completely out of my hands and doesn't affect my attitude whatsoever.
  • yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    zomfg ur such a rebel

    /the thought process of all of Scrye's fans summed up.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    The majority of anime is complete shit with low-quality animation?

    The majority of everyrthing is shit. You are saying nothing new.

    Challenging people to be better by being an asshat is still being an asshat, just with a poorly justified reasoning. On the rest, I can agree on some level.
  • Clean your room little Billy
    Plus, some people just aren't going to ever get better. Though that may be even more of an asshat thing to say...
  • It's not really his responsibility, though, to make us change. He doesn't have to be diplomatic about it.
  • yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    I just don't understand how it's anyone's responsibility or even right to try to "improve" the life of someone they don't know.

    I certainly, would rant out people if I felt like it was warranted, but I barely know any of you in the long run, so I don't.
  • You can change. You can.
    It's not really his responsibility, though, to make us change. He doesn't have to be diplomatic about it.

    Pretty much my line of thought on the whole deal. Scrye can do whatever the hell he wants. I'll juxt ignore him if I think he says something dumb and it'll be the end of it. 

    I apply the same policy to everyone, really.
  • edited 2011-08-07 14:43:52
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    @vandro > The majority of everyrthing is shit. You are saying nothing new.

    QFT

    @Juan_Carlos > Pretty much my line of thought on the whole deal. Scrye can do whatever
    the hell he wants. I'll juxt ignore him if I think he says something
    dumb and it'll be the end of it.

    QFT again
  • @Juan Carlos: ...But ignoring people who do [x behavior] is what got the wiki into the mess it's in, in the first place.
  • Tl;dr Scrye was just pretending to be a prick so that we could all become functioning members of society. Or something.
  • You can change. You can.
    @Juan Carlos: ...But ignoring people who do [x behavior] is what got the wiki into the mess it's in, in the first place.

    Well, Ivy, I don't hold moderation powers over at TvT. Nor can ban people or edit his posts and put something in like, say, "Disregard, I suck cocks" or anything.

    All I could do is try to discuss what I disagree with him with. And I don't have the patience nor the will to do so.

    And if he edits the wiki in a bad way, I'll be sure to reverse that edit as needed. Which is what's relevant to your post, anyway. :p

    But Scrye wasn't that much of an editor, anyway.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    This is where I disagree with the lot of you, if you are trying to "improve" other people, you can't go half-assed way of "if they listen cool, if they don't listen cool either way", commitment to what you want to do is important.
  • You know, if you think the community is messed up and you want to improve it, you can just take the Guitar Bizarre route and tell us about it constantly. You don't need to do this stealth troll into enlightenment thing.
  • edited 2011-08-07 14:55:35
    You can change. You can.
    And I think that trying to improve people requires at least a dual sided effort. And if they're not gonna make an effort themselves, then there's really no point.

    Not to mention that I can't see how is anyone's prerrogative to help people, but if he wants to see himself as a sorta messiah, he can do it. Who's gonna stop him? Moi? Sorry, got better things to do than to discuss such a thing.

    ^Because that totes worked, right?
  • edited 2011-08-07 15:10:42
    Electric Boogaloo

    Challenging people to be better by being an asshat is still being an asshat, just with a poorly justified reasoning.

    I agree, which is why I noted that I don't really know why people thought I was omgsocool.

    ^5: Sarcasm aside, that was the plan of it. I was hoping that at least one person would actually get pissed off being criticized and actually change for the better, but that failed miserably. All they did was go and cry to people who told them they were a special little flower.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    "Not to mention that I can't see how is anyone's prerrogative to help people"

    Because we are people and helping others is good?
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