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And yet, as strange as it sounds, I think that most of the people who watched Nisemonogatari actually were watching it for the dialogue. Apparently both series are incredibly witty and well-written, in spite of the gratuitous Freudian dear-god-what-is-this-ness.
Then again, I've also heard that Bakemonogatari was just plain better than the second series, and markedly less pervy, so make of that what you will.
P.S. A better example would be not watching Fullmetal Alchemist because Shou Aikawa wrote the screenplay for Violence Jack.
Or not reading/watching Hellsing because the author is otherwise notable for porn.
Many might be surprised at how common this is. The anime and manga industry can be pretty cutthroat when it comes to proven success, so a lot of artists and writers get a start in erotic fiction and then move towards more conventional genres. Some might consider that questionable, but I have to respect the guile of those that choose to begin with porn for that reason.
It is interesting, but Aikawa's turn is definitely the strangest to my mind: The man started out writing reprehensible gorn devoid of likable characters and ended up writing two well-respected series stuffed with sympathetic characters. It's a pretty stark turn around.
Then again, the final arc of FMA was not lacking in either violence or human depravity, but it was so beautifully written and constructed that I can't say it's really the same thing at all. But I think that's a matter of enthusiasm for the material coupled with maturity as a writer; if you're young and angry and don't like what you're doing, then the work you create is going to reflect that.
But we weren't talking about Shou Aikawa.
No, nobody really cares about that sort of thing except for when it's a seiyuu or idol who's also been in porn. It's totally normal for a mangaka to start out by doing ero doujinshi and stuff.
It's called "making a comparison," DYRE...
But, like, NisiOisiN is the actual person that was being talked about, and he was the writer for Katanagatari.
Why would I need to make an analogy when the entire point was that NisiOisiN writes things that are not exactly the same thing as Nisemonogatari?
And as for Nyktos, I am sorry you have such horrible taste.
Re Full Metal Alchemist - isn't Hiromu Arakawa the series creator, not Shou Aikawa?
To be fair, there are a lot of heavy sexual stuff in Hellsing. The Rip Van Winkle fight is pretty much a protracted rape scene.
That said, I enjoyed the monogatari series at points, and some of the sexual stuff was funny, but anything involving the sisters that wasn't the fight scenes skeeved me out and assured me I would never watch it again
I honestly don't see how someone could be excited about Robotics;Notes because the first episode did absolutely nothing interesting. I think that maybe it could become interesting once the actual plot starts, but the entire first episode was basically male MC screwing around on his smartphone while we get a lot of fanservice of female MC. Which I guess introduced us to the characters' personalities and the setting, so it's not totally pointless, but as for actual reasons to keep watching it, all we really have is the basic premise of the plot, which presumably you knew before you started watching it anyway. Though it is nice looking, and I'll definitely keep watching it for now. It's just that I don't really think the first episode was particularly exciting is all.
As for Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun, I'm enjoying it more than I did at the start, but I still don't really like the two main characters so I'm pretty much watching it for internet-girl-whose-name-I-don't-remember. For shoujo anime, I think Kamisama Hijimemashita is more entertaining. And maybe Sukitte Ii Na Yo but honestly the main reason I'm watching that is because the main character has Mayaka Ibara's voice...
It's meant to establish the status quo for the characters.
Platnium Disco is the nectar of the heavens
^^ Yes but that alone doesn't really make me want to keep watching. For all I know it'll end up like Moretsu Pirates where it established the status quo for the first 8 episodes before anything actually happened. Usually, you'd give some indication that things are going to change soon, as well as some idea of what it will be like after it changes so that I have something to anticipate. It did the first thing, not so much the second.
^ Platinum Disco is overrated. Ren'ai Circulation and Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari are always the best -monogatari songs.
Dunno, that OP makes me diamonds everytime
Now look at Youtube. And now back at IJBM. Our saladofstones is now diamonds.
I actually really liked Bakemonogatari when I watched it, yeah.
Nah, I already knew that, even when making my comment about NisiOisiN. Difference being, apparently that's the sort of story NisiOisiN wants to tell for himself, whereas others might have simply had to start in porn, or something like that. I can't imagine all the porn put out by otherwise critically-acclaimed authors being as weird as that toothbrush scene, or the weird rape-y thing that happens with Kanbaru and Koyomi, or whatever the hell Mayuri is doing in that one picture from that one macro. Can't comment on what they actually write, but this still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
@JHM:
Do keep in mind that Violence Jack and FMA both are adaptations.@DYRE:
lol@Alkthash:
He was talking about the first anime; from what I can tell it's sufficiently different to consider Aikawa at least co-creator.No, not necessarily. A lot of people who draw manga just do it because they like to draw cute/sexy girls, and manga lets them make money doing it. Not all or necessarily even most, of course, but enough for it to be significant. I suppose it'd probably be different for writers who aren't also illustrators, though.
It's the same exact gag that Koyomi and Hachikuji have. Only that Koyomi is being the victim rather than the perpetrator.
these words should never have to be spoken
^^^ Difference is, I trust certain writers to keep that out of their work. Azumanga Daioh's writer started in porn, but AzuDai, and especially Yotsuba&!, are nowhere near skeevy.
^^ I remember them ending differently, though. Like, it seemed like Koyomi might have actually been raped, whereas he was just messing around with Hachikuji.
^ Also true.
isn't Kanbaru a lesbian?
I thought she was bi, given how she treats Koyomi? Maybe I'm misremembering.
Either way, the scene from Nise was worse than the one from Bake.
Kanbaru is supposedly a lesbian but it's a harem show so she wants to fuck Ararararararararararararararararararagi anyway.
I disagree, by virtue that it's merely played once, while the one with Hachikuji is repeated ad nauseam.
I've listened to like, four AKB48 songs now: Beginner, River, Heavy Rotation, and Aitakatta.
At least two of them--Beginner and River--have a noticeable hip-hop rhythmic influence. This isn't in Idolmaster. It's also kinda cool, though I'll reserve judgement on it just yet.
On the other hand, they seem to have less stylistic variability overall. Idolmaster kinda easily wins on that front, by intentionally casting fourteen characters with very distinctive and differentiated personalities and typical song styles.
This suggests that AKB0048 is really not going to be much like Idolmaster at all.
00 is about Space Marine Mecha Idols, so it probably won't be a lot like Idolmaster anyways.
I think the Idolmaster beats it because it builds it's songs around the idols, not just using the idols to sing pre-existing songs.
This reminds me, I really need to watch the Idolmaster.
The Idolmaster had really, really good sense of narrative, and turned what might otherwise be a bunch of characters with shallow and stereotypable quirks into an (mostly) interesting cast undergoing personal character development alongside their career development.
That was why I brought up the second half of the series, which was basically Aikawa's baby. That's also why I brought up "maturity and enthusiasm for the material at hand." Adapting a Go Nagai toss-off when in one's late twenties is going to bring out a very different side of one's writing from adapting (and ultimately expanding upon) something significantly more interesting fifteen years on.
(Also, when I spoke of Aikawa's early work, I was also referring to his original material—Angel Cop and Genocyber, for instance; when speaking of his later work, the same applies, in this case to Martian Successor Nadesico.)
But the point remains: Dismissing a writer out of hand for penning something awful or creepy is a bad idea.
Hopefully with the addendum that they shouldn't let awful or creepy ideas seep into things that don't need to be awful or creepy or violent or whatever.