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  • You can change. You can.

    It's a Spanish pun

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    oh


    damn spanish people, knowing things i don't

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    Paella is a spanish rice dish and it reads similar like puella.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    I ought to get around to playing Recettear again.  Just so I can craft a paella pan.


  • Hyouge Mono



    How's that wait for subs going?

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    14/39



    Ouch...

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    I didn't feel the last arc was as strong as the first two (bluh time travel lesbians and guns guns guns), but then again I couldn't actually say. I don't remember it much, because the time travelling lesbianism melted my brain. 



    I don't get what you mean. It was kind of a key part of the story, and the time travel shenanigans were hinted at well before the last fourth of the series.



    Apparently, the director said it wasn't meant to be a deconstruction or subversion of the magical girl genre. Take that as you like. 



    Pretty much. It was probably less that Urobuchi wanted to say, "magical girl shows are stupid", and more that he wanted to derive logical-yet-Urobuchian conclusions from the typical aspects of the genre, to get a new story. And in the process of making it, Faust was obviously the most heavily examined work of literature, but Andersen's mermaid was also referenced, and Kyubey even took on an almost Lovecraftian aspect near the end, so it was never going to be a light story, but I don't see how it can be faulted for so often being tragic, nor do I agree that it was ever needlessly so, or that the audience never had enough to cling to to want to finish. Hell, even Saya no Uta, Urobuchi's most infamous work, was pretty straightforward at times (for instance, Saya no Uta is ultimately his take on a love story. It just happens to involve cannibalism and interspecies lovin', but one of the endings was a pretty literal "us vs. the world" ending, and so some consider it to be the Good End).



    But there was QUALITY everywhere.



    But was it really that noticeable when watching it? It was well-animated where it mattered.



    and its success is extremely annoying since it's causing SHAFT to spend their time making more Madoka stuff instead of more -monogatari adaptations.



    If it means they don't pull anymore toothbrush scenes with anything they do, that's fine.



    its success is extremely annoying since it's causing SHAFT to spend their time making more Madoka stuff instead of more Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei seasons.



    Fixed



    I'll grant that I'm not as familiar with SZS as I really should be. That'll be my next attempt after Lain.

  • edited 2012-10-16 13:39:53

    But was it really that noticeable when watching it?



    Yes or I wouldn't have noticed it.  It's not like I watch anime frame-by-frame just so I'll be able to spot bad dawings.



    If it means they don't pull anymore toothbrush scenes with anything they do, that's fine.



    Nisemonogatari is the fourth best-selling anime ever and currently Bakemonogatari is number one (although Madoka will probably pass it at some point since they're pretty close and Madoka currently has more hype and is more recent).


    There is going to be more -monogatari eventually.


    The problem is that SHAFT wants to keep milking Madoka forever which is delaying their -monogatari projects because for some reason it was decided that we absolutely need two recap movies and a sequel movie and Urobuchi wants to make a fucking two-cour TV series with the implication that he'd even want to continue making more Madoka stuff after that and holy fuck how much can they run this series into the ground?

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    make a fucking two-cour TV series



    I heard that there was going to be another movie, but another two cours is really, really pushing it.



    how much can they run this series into the ground?



    Until they have yearly creepy Sexy Santa figurines ala Evangelion? Or Fate/[Game title not relevant to anything for the PSP that makes lots of money just cause]?

  • edited 2012-10-16 13:52:13
    Has friends besides tanks now

    It's not like I watch anime frame-by-frame just so I'll be able to spot bad dawings.



    I was sorta curious as to whether you were complaining based on the meguca meme showing bad spots of animation or something. Fair enough, then.



    currently Bakemonogatari is number one



    Huh. That's actually kinda cool.


    Also, I guess two recap movies would be unnecessary, and what I've read of the Kazumi Magica manga is godawful, but I don't see why sequel works are so terrible, especially if -monogatari stuff has its own schedule anyways, as a light novel series. It's not like that material is going anywhere, so why not work with Madoka in its own time, rather than drag it out over X years? In fact, there's still a lot of potential in the Madokaverse, so it's not as if the new show would be repetitive out of necessity. If it's a waste of time, that'll be too bad, but I don't think that means they're running it into the ground just yet. It's just that there's more they can do with the setting.

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    still a lot of potential in the Madokaverse



    I seriously can't see them doing much else without messing up royally. Seriously, Madoka was great with what it was given, the one new movie is great fanservice, but even more movies and two-cours is beating a tired dog to death...



    It's not like that material is going anywhere, so why not work with Madoka in its own time



    Popularity does not work that way, no matter how good your story is, it will eventually either become a classic that only half the people who talk about have seen (Eva) or fade away (Haruhi Suzupeoplehardlyrememberhernow).

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Evangelion



    Speaking of...


    -dons flame-retardant suit-


    Can someone explain to me why this series was successful? Because I started watching it when I was basically trapped alone in my dorm room for several days due to a snowstorm, and despite having literally nothing else to do, I only managed to force myself through six episodes. I couldn't make myself care about any of the characters, and none of the plot points was even remotely interesting.

  • Because Rei and Asuka and Misato are the three most moe anime girls ever made.


    And other reasons, but realistically, that's why it made so much money.

  • edited 2012-10-16 14:00:40
    Has friends besides tanks now

    ^ I don't really see what you're getting at with that last point. I mean, yeah, any number of popular works will fall out of the limelight, for better or worse, but I don't see why this particular example is so terrible. If it wasn't more Madoka stuff, it would probably be more -monogatari stuff anyway, so what's the difference?


    They could easily mess up a two-cour series, yeah, but I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion. Anything beyond that, probably, but Madoka was still pretty bare-bones, and there were times when I would have liked to get more detail about everything.



    Can someone explain to me why this series was successful? Because I started watching it when I was basically trapped alone in my dorm room for several days due to a snowstorm, and despite having literally nothing else to do, I only managed to force myself through six episodes. I couldn't make myself care about any of the characters, and none of the plot points was even remotely interesting.



    I actually kind of agree with you. The first six episodes were pretty boring at times, but I thought there was a pretty compelling sense of drama, especially in You Are (Not) Alone. Though the episodes after that feel like filler crap so far (you have to win through ~dancing~), so I'm holding out for the rest of the Rebuild movies, because they've been really good so far.


    I can't really comment on the characters, though.

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    but Madoka was still pretty bare-bones, and there were times when I would have liked to get more detail about everything.



    Shell out for a character/scenario book? Madoka worked, making it longer just cause isn't helping the story at all, they're trying to sell BDs and figmas now, not give us a good show.


    The point is, Madoka is in the limelight, ten years down the line it won't be and they know that, therefore they're trying to make as much money as possible now.

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    I guess I can't fault them for that, then, until I see for myself that the next story is bad, which I'll grant is a possibility, given the Kazumi Magica manga. Though a character/scenario book would be a nice alternative, especially one that wasn't essential to the original story.


  • you have to win through ~dancing~



    God forbid a shounen super robot show have some silly parts.


    And actually that episode was pretty important for Asuka's character development, so...

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    Evangelion was notable for its honesty in approaching psychological malfunction, red herrings and awesome giant mecha battles. It's much more a character show than a plot one, and everything revolves around the broken pilots coming to peace with the world around them. Or not coming to peace with it, in some cases. The point is that it was unusually forthright in how it presented the flaws of its characters. It's still one of the best anime for that kind of thing. 


    It is hilarious, however, that even the fanbase still doesn't seem to understand it. 

  • Everyone understands Evangelion, stop acting like that's not the case.

  • edited 2012-10-16 14:20:20
    There is love everywhere, I already know

    Sadly, the first complete scenario book is out of print, but the movie and one that covers episodes 1-9 are still available.


    Also, they're in Japanese, but at least they exist right?

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    I will when I stop witnessing discussions about the religious symbology. 

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    It's much more a character show than a plot one



    Well, given that one of my problems with the show was that as of six episodes in, there was no reason to care about any of the characters, that's not a good thing.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    It depends on how well you sympathise with the kind of characters presented, I expect. I like the characters quite a lot, so I find Evangelion a very satisfying experience. 

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Well, as of the point I've watched to, I don't actually recall any of the characters having a personality beyond maybe one trait.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    > Why is Evangelion successful?


    1. Because confusing plot/setting with with enough semblance of sense for people to try to make sense of it and then argue about it endlessly.


    2. Because you have a bunch of psychologically broken characters and people sympathize with them and when the script breaks them further people have feelings.


    3. Because Rei failed to be creepy for many fans and instead became a sex symbol.

  • edited 2012-10-16 15:32:04

    Asuka is pretty much just as popular as Rei is.


    Also Rei's obviously supposed to be at least sympathetic, and as a character she really never comes across as creepy.  It's pretty much just that what happens with her in End of Evangelion is creepy.  Her actual personality and character arc actually does make her come across as kind of cute, so it's less otaku misinterpreting things and the writers either failing to get their point across or they were never really trying very hard to make her seem creepy in the first place.

  • edited 2012-10-16 15:44:52
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Actually, if I want to praise the show, I'd add that the characters and their failings--especially Shinji, Asuka, and Misato--seem remarkably human.  They're a bit like, how would you or I react in a situation like that which they face.  The feelings of hopelessness, desperation, hope, and fear that they go through can resonate strongly with the audience's reactions to the events.

  • How's that wait for subs going?


    A true aesthete has nothing if not patience.

  • yea i make potions if ya know what i mean

    Can someone explain to me why this series was successful? Because I started watching it when I was basically trapped alone in my dorm room for several days due to a snowstorm, and despite having literally nothing else to do, I only managed to force myself through six episodes. I couldn't make myself care about any of the characters, and none of the plot points was even remotely interesting.



    Because 2deep4u.




    It is hilarious, however, that even the fanbase still doesn't seem to understand it.



    I still think it's funny that there are people who claim to not understand Lain. Or for that matter, FLCL



     or fade away (Haruhi Suzupeoplehardlyrememberhernow).



    Ohohohoho. Don't get me started on this one.


    I have no idea why the animated adaption just kinda stopped. Because the novels are still getting released. Did you know there was briefly another main character? I bet you didn't.


    Thing is the translations of the novels are god-fucking-awful. I'm not sure if the author is a hack or the translators are. Point is, they're nigh unreadable. 

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    I'm not sure if the author is a hack or the translators are. Point is, they're nigh unreadable. 



    I can't comment on whether the original Japanese is any better, but based on some weird wording in the first book's translation, I'm fairly certain the translators are going word-by-word, then rearranging it so it forms a semi-coherent English sentence, so they definitely suck at their jobs.

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