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  • It's not like you can't get the same effect in animation though (albeit generally less subtly).  It's just that you often don't because of limited budgets or other issues.


  • It's not like you can't get the same effect in animation though



    Theoretically, but even the best animation (at least, 2D animation) is generally at best on par with mediocre acting.

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    Is it weird that the Bimbougami Ga! anime has been ruined for me because of the manga's Medaka Box like genre shift?

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    So you didn't like the genre shift? Shame on you

  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere

    ^^^ I would contest that premise on the grounds that one can use animation to an expressive effect beyond the actions of individual characters. For example, part of the reason that I obsess over Masaaki Yuasa is his incredibly emotionally expressive animation style. Granted, one can do this with live-action cinematography as well, but animation allows one to manipulate the baseline of reality as it exists in the world of the work for dramatic effect in a way that camerawork alone could not achieve.


    In a way, the power of animation lies in using the whole world as one's palette. The limit is obvious: One is not seeing this world being bent into such marvellous shapes. But that's not what I watch animation for; that's what I watch Lynch and Herzog and Gilliam for.


    But Gilliam was an animator himself, so that's something...

  • edited 2012-12-20 03:35:46
    There is love everywhere, I already know

    So you didn't like the genre shift? Shame on you



    Bimbougami Ga was like, fun incarnate. With the perfect amount of lampshading, new and cliche to work. Now it's basically shonen...


    Not that shonen is inherently bad (in fact, some of my favoraite shows are shonen) but it comes with the trappings and well, it's going the Bleach route for me. Except this had so much more promise than Bleach.

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    That's exactly was it was and what it is. It's like godwins law for the shonen demographic. "The longer a manga runs on a shonen magazine the probability of it turning into a fighting series approaches 1."

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    Well, there'll be other manga and other anime comedies* I guess.


    *has anybody else noticed that good anime comedies only come once in a blue moon?

  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere

    Yes, I have.

  • edited 2012-12-20 03:43:00
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    re movies being less able to be epic than TV shows


    I was just reflecting on the fact that I think it's been very rare that a movie has really made me care emotionally about the characters beyond just watching stuff happen.  Lord of the Rings didn't, Superman Returns didn't, Spider-Man (the movie) didn't, Titanic didn't (granted I was quite young when watching that one), A Beautiful Mind only kinda did, About a Boy didn't, The Sound of Music only barely did (the drama at the end made sense while my least favorite song is "Something Good" because it bored me), and even the Disney movies I saw when I was a kid didn't seem to move me much for some reason, and I can't remember what other drama movies I've seen recently because I watch movies quite rarely, the only movie that I definitely remember eliciting a strong emotional reaction is Lorenzo's Oil--oh my, those heartstrings were tugged hard in that movie.


    I know some of those are action shows but I don't just mean crying fits for the "emotional" bit, I mean a "whoa, I was carried away and that really was epic" or "the way all the pieces fit together perfectly was so awesome" or something.


    An example of "pieces fit together perfectly" might be The Italian Job (2003 version; I haven't seen the other).  That was very, very impressive and satisfying, even if extremely unrealistic.


    Oh yeah now I remember that we've seen a few martial arts flicks recently.  Ip Man 2 was awesome, in its handling of drama.  Ip Man 1 and The Legend of Ip Man (a.k.a. "Ip Man Zero") were not as good though okay.  And then there were various other less impressive flicks.  Sha Po Lang was okay, though it needed more buildup for me to really feel the gravity of the characters' deaths.


    If we're allowing animé movies (since they are movies nevertheless), then I have a better record of what I've seen.  My favorite is probably The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, which plays out like a short story than anything epic.  Same goes with Tokyo Godfathers, though that does go into more depth about each of the main characters, which is very nice (think of a somewhat longer short story).  On the other hand, Millennium Actress left me kinda confused.  Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' on Heaven's Door was okay, but not particularly impressive to me (someone who hasn't seen the main series): it felt like--as was the case for many other movies I've seen--stuff just happened, and I guess it was kinda exciting when it happened, but it left little impression afterwards.


    Actually, come to think of it, Star Wars Episode III was kinda good.  But I still had trouble working out what everyone was up to by the end of the movie.  Did a lot of post-viewing research to work out the details.  That said this is in the middle of a series, so it's not a proper example.


    As for comedy films, Happy Gilmore was decent but not extraordinary by any means, Good Burger just had its weird memorable moments, and...wait, I know of an excellent comedy film: Mouse Trap.  That's a movie I'd recommend; it's pacing, its buildup...was fantastic.


    It's worth noting that, at least when compared to anime, movies have the advantage of acting, which, assuming it's good enough, can convey characterization subtly and swiftly.


    Well, even if they do, I'm not certain it's used well.  Seeing various silhouetted scenes as well as people staring at each other at dinner tables has tended to not really tell me all that much.

  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere

    Watch Lawrence of Arabia.


    That is all.

  • edited 2012-12-20 03:55:33
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    I've heard that it is epic and awesome and really damn good.  Is it?  Or will i be bored by it, like i was bored by Casablanca (granted I wasn't really paying attention to it).


     


    Oh, I thought of another movie I really like.  Yellow Submarine.  The narrative of the captain escaping a doomed homeland and then his journey back, was really engaging.  So were the songs.  Even if the events were rather episodic.

  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere

    I must confess that I'm recommending it based on hearsay myself, but pretty much everything I've been told by people I know and trust indicates that you might actually give a damn.


    I've only seen scenes, but every scene I've seen—damn, this sounds silly—was definitely epic. Dem camera angles. Also, Peter O'Toole. Those eyes. Wow.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Packed with epic doesn't necessarily mean better.  Something truly epic needs to have non-epic moments to frame the epic ones appropriately.

  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere

    It does have those, from what I can tell.


  • Or will i be bored by it, like i was bored by Casablanca



    Get out.



    Watch Lawrence of Arabia.



    I was still holding to the hope that my first viewing of this could be in a theater... but with 2012 ending soon, I guess that's just not going to happen, so I'll just try to watch it in the widest screen I can get.

  • You can change. You can.

    >Looks Lorenzo's Oil up.


    >It is based on the true story of Augusto and Michaela Odone, two parents in a relentless search for a cure for their son Lorenzo's adrenoleukodystrophy


    :|

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    If you haven't before cried to Samuel Barber's "Adagio for Strings", you will when you watch that movie.

  • edited 2012-12-20 12:07:18
    There is love everywhere, I already know

    @nohaynicklibre : You were right.


    I'm so glad you were right! Anime comedy of the year has been decided before the year even starts.


    Also, other awesome things for the localized anime stuff next year.

  • JHMJHM
    Here, There, Everywhere

    ^^ That piece is lovely.


    ^ While I honestly could only barely care less about Yu-Gi-Oh!, the Neon Alley thing is pretty cool.

  • Ridi, Pagliaccio, sul tuo amore infranto!

    Wow, on nicktoons? Good for them.

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    Chuunibyou: KyoAni's newest show with the least interesting premise ever. I don't think even they can make this intriguing in the slightest (Will eat my words after I declare my love at the end of the season)



    From a few months back. What are you talking about, @fourteenwings, this premise sounds amazing. I know there's probably a lot of stuff in my backlog already, butt fuck it.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Yuuta Togashi suffered from chuunibyou while he was in middle school. When he graduated, he put that dark history behind him and forgot about it... or he was supposed to. High school was smooth sailing and full of enjoyment—until the unavoidable, sad event occurs. The event that locks Yuuta into a contract with Rikka Takanashi and disrupts his desperately ordinary life.



    > that sounds amazing

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    Well, when they describe it like that.

  • What the fuck is a Chuunibyou?

  • edited 2012-12-20 21:20:05
    Has friends besides tanks now

    A phase that children (or at least, Japanese children; people of other nationalities go through this, but it's not recognized as a phenomenon) usually go through when they're about 14 (2nd-years in middle school, hence the name of the term) that involves them suddenly thinking they're ~super speshul~ or have ~magical powers~. Often looked back upon with major embarrassment.


    The show I want to watch is about a kid who's recently overcome that and is about to be dragged back into shenanigans by a girl who, at high school age, is now going through this phase. And he meets other people who've dealt with it/are dealing with it in some way. Should be pretty funny.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Well, when they describe it like that.



    Well, you know what he was talking about now. :|

  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!

    I actually watched a few episodes of that show in anime club. To my surprise I didn't hate it, even though I normally despise moe shows.


    I hear it gets worse in the last few episodes when it shifts from comedy to a really predictable romance/drama plot.

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    ^^ Fair enough.


    ^ You're still luckier than me, that you get to watch "a few episodes" of stuff in your anime club. ;_;

  • Ridi, Pagliaccio, sul tuo amore infranto!

    I've seen all the episodes released. Yeah, it gets pretty dramatic.

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