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^They showed that our last Anime Night. The parts I payed attention to were interesting but the rest...well I didn't pay attention.
I actually liked it a lot, plot inconsistency be damned, although I can why you see it as not relevant. There is the fear of mass revival but I don't think Kishimoto would be as blind as to make all the secondary characters death lose meaning in such a way. Besides, Sasuke and Orochimaru have, sadly, yet to make their move.
Yeah, I never did watch First Squad but I was mildly excited for it before it came out and then I just watched the mass disappointment when it did and I was like "damn".
It is so boring that I couldn't even finish it.
It's a one hour movie and I couldn't even finish it.
It can't be that bad can it?
Oh holy hell ye--
Oh.
I think maybe it would have been fine if they did it as a TV series or even an OVA series instead of just one 60 minute movie. Basically, the problem with it is that it just sort of skips over every interesting-sounding thing and only focuses on the boring parts (the main character apparently did lots of cool secret agent stuff before the movie started, but unfortunately she lost her memories and so she doesn't remember them and we never get to see them). Relatedly, problems are always resolved in the stupidest and most anticlimactic way possible (she has to figure out who a person from a dream she had is. Naturally, she does this by... reading a newspaper immediately after she's told to do this, and the guy happens to be on the front page and she remembers), which doesn't exactly make for engaging storytelling.
However, I've only watched the first 40 minutes. It's entirely possible that something noteworthy actually happens in the last third of the movie, so I am going to finish it right now, but really even if it did get better, I can't imagine it'd be better enough to be worth watching.
Legend of The Galactic Heroes took around 10 years to finish (of course, it's 110 episodes vs 7). Both would've been well worth the wait, though.
Although the notion of watching Giant Robo back in the day only to find out just then that it'd never go on after The Day The Earth Stood Still would be pretty depressing.
Well, predictably, the last 20 minutes of First Squad aren't much better than any other 20 minutes. Notably, it actually does have action scenes. However, they're terrible so it doesn't really matter. I get the impression that this was supposed to be longer than it was (from both the ending and the fact that Nadya's teammates all have gimmicky fighting styles despite barely even showing up earlier in the movie, suggesting they probably wanted to actually do something with those characters at some point), which would explain my "it would have been better as a TV series" feeling I guess.
I've noticed that stuff will always do better as a TV series except for very small plots that are suited for short movies, which are often conceptual and emotional in nature.
Feature-length movies are still too little time to tell a full-fledged story with good enough pacing to set up expectations and manipulate them to provide a quality experience.
Grave of the Fireflies.
^^Many, many movies would disagree with you.
also, juan get in here and back me up
While I prefer much longer works than movies (or short stories, if we were talking literature), that's still more than enough time for a full-fledged story.
Well, that's my experience. I feel that movies have to go from me knowing nothing about a setting/story/characters to my caring deeply about them and empathizing with them in an epic story, all within the course of two and a half to three hours.
Possibly before I've even clearly made out the names of characters and places. Or the exact implications of what might or might not happen in the setting.
On the other hand, a 12- or 24-episode series can have much more time for me to get comfortable with a new set of characters and setting details, before doing funny things to them.
A 12 episode series is, on average 4.4 hours. That isn't a huge time boost.
Yeah, you're right; AKB0048's first season felt rushed too.
Though Rocket Girls felt right.
Darnit, now I'm going to be scratching my head over the difference...
Oh, also, there's a difference between sitting through a movie for a few hours straight, and watching something broken down into 12 chunks of half hour each, between which the mind automatically takes a break to recap and review what happened in each episode.
The difference is that sometimes the writing is such that the amount of time a story lasts for is the same as the amount of time it needs, and sometimes it is less and sometimes it is more. Production issues or lazy/mediocre writers can result in a poorly-paced show or movie but it really has nothing to do with the format (at least, not inherently), it's just a matter of whether or not the story being told is suitable for that format. And really, most feature films do adequately in that regard as do TV shows. Though if you prefer one format over the other then that's fine.
tl;dr: some things are paced well and some aren't.
>Well, that's my experience. I feel that movies have to go from me knowing nothing about a setting/story/characters to my caring deeply about them and empathizing with them in an epic story, all within the course of two and a half to three hours.
>epic
That might be your issue. I know that the movies I've enjoyed have been, for the most part, smaller-scale and well-contained. Assuming good pacing in both, a 12+ episode series would simply have more time to do things, and automatically be better-suited to a longer, larger-scale story (although 12 episodes probably isn't enough for something that would be properly "epic;" when I think of a modern epic, I think of One Piece, for instance). Don't know if that's what you meant, but the word "epic," in this context, is a bit of a red flag, in a different way than usual.
Hellsing X is the final episode, so it kinda is. :P And it only took 6 years 10 months!
How many studios did that thing anyway.
-shrug-
I don't think a character has to have been recently relevant for me to be upset about their deaths. Especially not someone who was one of the first people to actually be influenced by Naruto's ideals, and actually become a better person after he talked to them.
It's not the genius stuff that's actually relevant there. In fact, I'm not sure why you would even think it is. His line- "Because I was called a genius"- was there to mirror Naruto's line during his fight with Neji, when Neji asked him "Why do you fight so hard?". Naruto replied "Because I was called a loser!"- referencing something Neji had said earlier, where he claimed a loser could never become Hokage. That's the purpose of the flashbacks right there.
That's why Naruto started crying in the panel afterwards.
(Plus, as I said, I think there's a fair chance Neji won't get resurrected even if there's a mass ressurection, because unlike Kakashi/the rest of Konoha, his story has been told now.)
Agreed. Here's my opinion. If Kakashi, Sakura, Shikamaru, Hinata, Lee, or Gaara died in a good way, I would be upset by it, regardless of it they had been relevant recently or not.
A mortal has summoned me. Let's see his reasons for summoning me.
But that's senseless. You can easily set up expectations throughout the early minutes of a feature film and then twist them. Hell, most of the TV and animu narratives today come from the stuff that Scorsese, Coppola and Kurosawa did during their times.
Not only that but it's a heavily unfair statement, though. I can see what you mean about movies having less space for character events, but that just means that writers have to think in much more tighter and snappier ways of characterizing these people rather than rely on a sequence of events that are not necessarily related to the bigger picture for us to understand who they are and what they do.
^ As a hopeful screenwriter, I can attest to this as Juan can. It's one of the challenges of good movie writing.
And as a short story writer of sorts, I can also attest to this: Writing a shorter work that feels complete is, in many ways, more difficult than writing a longer work as such. You have to be concise and clear, and that's harder than it sounds.
Well, to be fair to GMH, that's exactly what he was saying in the first place...
Well, not quite, what he was saying was that it was practically impossible and that movies are by definition weaker presentations.
ETA: Of course, most of that was probably unintentional because of what he said about it being his own experience but yeah.
Not saying it's not okay to have that reaction. I just felt let down by that moment, for that reason, myself.
Oh, no, it was thematically appropriate. It just felt at odds with how it had been so long since we'd seen him actually being a genius.
Tamako Market strikes again. The CM has definitely gotten my attention and I'm very curious (and it actually looks like cute girls doing cute things!)
The only problem is yet more new characters being introduced (Poor Daisuke Ono having to play every androgynous male ever..)
It's worth noting that, at least when compared to anime, movies have the advantage of acting, which, assuming it's good enough, can convey characterization subtly and swiftly.