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  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-08-01 02:23:10
    Has friends besides tanks now
    ^^^ That's where case-by-case rules fixes probably come in, but sometimes (like with Chagen) it would help to revoke that privilege, and at any other time it might be a nice deterrent to firebrands.

    ^^ So I guess next up is to figure out what else comes with this package.
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-08-01 02:22:56
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I don't think that probation should just be "Unallowing to create
    threads", myself, but as it is, that's really the only privilege that
    comes to mind that can be taken away without making being such a bitch.


    Hmmm...would there be a way to limit posts per hour or somesuch for the Probation role?
  • MisaAmaneMisaAmane
    A Sad Panda
    I don't think they should be inclusive or entwined, but can be exclusive depending on the rules broken. Like, threadshitting can rake up a Warning and Possible Probation, while being overtly hostile to other users can be answered with a week ban first, instead of a warning, depending on the extremity of the rule broken, or how many times it has occurred.

    Warning > Probation > Permanent Probation
       v                                           v
    Week Ban > Month Ban > Half-Year Ban/Permanent Ban


    So like you can jump from a warning to a ban depending on how bad your behavior is, or you could get put in the "stupid cart" for doing multiple stupid-but-not-that-horrible things.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    @Cygan: I added warnings because they make sense they should come first. They shouldn't add to a person's rap sheet, of course. 
  • MisaAmaneMisaAmane
    A Sad Panda
    Hmmm...would there be a way to limit posts per hour or somesuch for the Probation role?

    Spamblock prevents a user from posting for 2-5 minutes, and is a timed action built into Vanilla. Perhaps that can be written into a button for mods, who can press the "probation" button to prevent them from posting threads or replying to threads for a day or so.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-08-01 02:28:24
    Has friends besides tanks now
    IJBM: I want to work with MisaAmane's diagram, since it has a nice structure that I don't entirely agree with, but it would be really complex and I'd get ninja'd out the ass.
  • MisaAmaneMisaAmane
    A Sad Panda
    Well, permanent probation, with the previous example I made, would almost be like a ban anyway, except you can read the forum and edit your posts and draw on things with Goggles, while also checking messages and posting in the activity section..
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I think that we shouldn't take away normal posting from a probation account. 
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I think that we shouldn't take away normal posting from a probation account. 

    But maybe we could limit it?  Only five posts an hour, or some other rate to be determined later?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Oh, I thought we agreed in doing that. 
  • Central AvenueCentral Avenue
    The nitpicker in me wants to point out that reading the forum and drawing with Goggles are things that you can do even if you're banned, but I'm not sure that adds anything to conversation.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-08-01 02:41:32
    Has friends besides tanks now
    What I would do:

    Warning > Weekban> Permanent Probation
                                                            
       |                                     ^             \
       v                                     |               \
    Month Ban + Weeklong Probation | Permanent Ban

    Of course, this might have to adjust case-by-case, but I like the look of it. Anyone have any contentions to share?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    How long does the first probation last?
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-08-01 02:36:48
    GAAAH WHY AM I HERE.

    Anywho, (and it's probably worth noting I skipped most of the last two pages), I agree that the enforcement of most of the rules around here is way too lenient, and that sometimes, certain users are just given too many tries to keep screwing up. Also, Forzare is right on the money as far as rule 4a goes.

    @Daionus: Vorpy's female.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Oh, I thought we agreed in doing that.
    I dunno, no one but Vorpy Misa said anything about it.

    @Everest: I think that could work.
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-08-01 02:38:28
    Has friends besides tanks now
    I structured it to keep it so that posters only get two chances. Sorry; I meant for that to be permanent probation.

    But no, that's flawed; there are fewer steps to permabanning on the weeklong path than the monthlong.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-08-01 02:37:47
    You can change. You can.
    oh hay, sexy. long time no see. 

    ^Ah, OK. If so, I agree. 
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-08-01 02:40:07
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    +1 for Everest's bannination map.

    Hmmm... Do we need the branches?  Or could we just jump into monthlong ban?

    also o hai Bob
  • MisaAmaneMisaAmane
    A Sad Panda
    I'm in agreement with this.

    ...do you think we can make the bashing of Shuffle! a permanently bannable offense though?
  • BobBob
    ..."Shuffle!"?
  • NovaNova
    edited 2011-08-01 02:40:47
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I vote we cut the middleground out and just put everyone on permanent probation. Problem solved.

    why did i post this
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    :<
  • All NinesAll Nines
    Has friends besides tanks now
    HAY BOB!

    Also, never mind about that oversight; I'll fix the map.
  • MisaAmaneMisaAmane
    edited 2011-08-01 02:41:07
    A Sad Panda
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F45S2rNBPUg
  • Central AvenueCentral Avenue
    why did i post this
    THAT'S MY SHTICK
  • All NinesAll Nines
    Has friends besides tanks now
    "Hmmm... Do we need the branches?  Or could we just jump into monthlong ban?"

    I liked Misa's idea of certain offenses being worth more, and jumping to harsher bans when people do stupider things.

    Here's the fixed map.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    But no, that's flawed; there are fewer steps to permabanning on the weeklong path than the monthlong.

    How about this:
                      Week long ban -> week long Probation 
                   /                                                            \
    Warning                                                                     Permaban
                   \
                     Month long Ban -> Month long Probation /
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-08-01 02:44:00
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    @Everest That does look better.  And after thinking about it, I can agree with different offenses being worth more.

    +1
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-08-01 02:44:25
    Heartily approving the fixed map.

    Vorsa: Oh.

    Oh dear god, why does the purple-haired pigtail girl's hair bother me so much?

    ^Also agreeing with this.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    On second thought, Everest's fixed map works a lot better. 

    Stupid ninja.
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