Zetta Ryouiki is getting fixed

Vorpy

A guy who doesn't like Rape reviewing tentacle porn hentai?

Schitzo

Fanservice doesn't titillate me unless it's cleverly done and not excessive. Pacing is a major plus, when fanservice is as annoying as it is.

Nova

I had a huge post here, but then I realized it's just... pointless, so I'll just say I agree with this:

However, the cataloging needs to be... not destroyed... but watched much more carefully.

Malkavian

^^Build-up is a big thing for fanservice. It's why I think censorship actually helps it in a weird way.

^Hooray! We agree! Can we be frieds, Cygan? Pleaaaaase?

Bob

Fanservice doesn't titillate me unless whatever series / work it's in is completely devoid of any sort of plot or proper setting or characterization for me to get distracted from.

Which is why porn exists, people.

[just ignore the fact that I'm constantly complaining about how much I hate porn]

Nova

Hooray! We agree! Can we be frieds, Cygan? Pleaaaaase?

I prefer to be baked, sorry.

Malkavian

;_; you know what I mean Cygan. Do you want to have adventure as vitriolic friends or not?

DonZabu

^ Malk and Cy Hit the Road. Coming this fall to theaters everywhere.

evilneko

Nova

;_; you know what I mean Cygan. Do you want to have adventure as vitriolic friends or not?

I don't really like vitriol. Sorry.

Vorpy

Fanservice works on me, regardless of what context.

Because I am not a sexually repressed teenager with moral issues.

Malkavian

(starts crying)

Cygan doesn't like meeeeeeeeeeee!

Engrish_Ivy

> So wait, it's a question of numbers?

That is usually how people talk about trends in media, right?

Vorpy

Cygan doesn't like meeeeeeeeeeee!

Eye don't like ye eithar. -spit-

evilneko

Malkavian

B-but Vorpy... what about the other night! Did it mean nothing to you?

DYRE

DonZabu

You know what? I don't like him either!

-steals his credit card-

Bob

Please, Malk. It never means anything when you're involved, you dirty whore.

-slaps him-

evilneko

Bob

We know.

Malkavian

(sobs and goes to his couch with ice cream while watching Pretty Woman)

DonZabu

Fuck your ice cream!

-snatches it away from him and replaces it with the fat-free kind-

Scrye2

@DonZabu: When you first mentioned a show called "My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute", my first thought was of a home-video clip show of infant-to-toddler aged kids doing adorable things like spitting up on themselves, attempting horrible baby-squeal renditions of popular songs, or just looking at the camera funny. (i.e. almost all the videos that win $10,000 on America's Funniest Home Videos)

But after the explanation of the show, and remembering that some people have been forced to watch it by their friends, suddenly getting shot in the leg again doesn't sound so bad.

Elbeem

Ok, this is getting a bit ridiculous. Does fanservice advance the plot of a story? Maybe sometimes, but mostly not.

Is it a device that it is used by the creators of a work to have an impact on the viewer? Absolutely. Just like any number of similar devices that don't impact the plot or characterization, but are still use to have a specific impact on the viewing experience. Things like Camera Tricks, Lighting Tropes, Score And Music Tropes, Sound FX Tropes, and numerous tropes related to Visual effects, gamplay elements, etc.

These are all categories of tropes that are intended to have some effect on the viewer, that are not required to actually move along the story or impact characterization. And, yes, titillation is a means of impacting a viewer. If you don't feel like titillation has been used throughout the history of media as a tool for capturing the attention of the viewer, you're dreaming.

Now I'm not saying you have to like Fanservice tropes. There are plenty of tropes that I don't like. But "these tropes are squicky" or "these tropes are more likely to have us made fun of" (which, lets be honest, if it weren't for these two things we would not even be talking about this subject right now) are terrible reasons not to include something on a website that catalogs all of the devices and tricks used in media.

MillerCross

I think we've established that what we want is not for the Fanservice tropes to go, but for them to be far more regulated and less...masturbatory.

Elbeem

I've made a blanket offer to anyone who wants to find examples that are written in a creepy manner, propose a more neutral rewrite, and I will make the edits and deal with any unlikely fallout that may happen.

So far, no one has taken me up on this.

Nova

Okay. First of all, I'm going to be trimming this down to just listing the more valid examples without any commentary. Would that be okay with you?

For example,

Mahoraba (pictured above) uses the idea for laughs usually without explicitly showing anything.

is fine. I won't touch examples like this.

Marvelous Melmo was one of the first anime to use this trope: Whenever Melmo changes into her Older Alter Ego, her clothes stay the same size, and her now-too-small skirt flips up to show off her undies.

would look like this:

Marvelous Melmo was one of the first anime to use this trope: Whenever Melmo changes into her Older Alter Ego, her clothes stay the same size, and her skirt is now too small to properly conceal her modesty.

(Probably unnecessary, but I dunno. Just seems a bit... Prolly just imagining it. Leave it, on second thought.)

K-On! In the manga, there's a rather gratuitous panty-shot of Mio after their performance at the school cultural festival. The anime viewer doesn't get to see it, as Kyoto Animation replaced that with a bowl of rice. Everybody in the auditorium, on the other hand....

Would be replaced with:

K-On! In the manga, there's a rather gratuitous panty shot of Mio after their performance in the school cultural festival.

Would this be A-OK?

Nova

Happens pretty often in the Get Backers manga, especially to Himiko. It gets to the point where she's wearing a cheongsam slitted up past her hips on both sides, climbing a windy mountain ahead of Ban, and still goes tsun-tsun on him when he looks at the very detailed close-up provided. Himiko, sweetie, the only one you have to blame is yourself.

 *cough cough*

Elbeem

For the Melmo example, in your rewrite I would replace "modesty" with "underwear". There's no reason to skirt (no pun intended) around the word. Otherwise that sounds good.

On the K-On example, I think it's notable to mention how the Anime adaptation differs from the manga in the use of that scene. Something along the lines of:

"In the anime, this scene is replaced with a shot of a bowl of rice, however the reaction from those in the auditorium indicates that the events played out the same way."

How does that sound?