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Zetta Ryouiki is getting fixed

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  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-06 15:44:31
    @Glenn: As far as I'm aware, all Fanservice tropes list examples whenever they appear in media, not just when they're invoked. I'm not sure why Zettai should be held to a different standard.

    Creepily written examples are a problem, of course, but those can be edited to be made more neutral.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I don't get why the wiki is so concerned about image it doesn't make much sense. who the fuck cares what the "face of troper tales" or trope titles or descritpions make the rest of the internet think of us?

    Because I don't see why we should care about troper's obsession with fiction concepts and their application to their lives or why I should care about how the editor of a page is obssessed rather unhealthily with telling everybody about how his fetish is relatively reknown or whatever.
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
    edited 2011-08-06 15:49:34
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    @Hatter: That could stand to be worded better.

    @Meeble: They can, but they won't. And attempts at making entire swathes more neutral will be met with accusations of page-rape.

    @Juan Carlos: But it gives them validation! And isn't that the entire point of TV Tropes, giving lonely nerds validation?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I love how cleaning a page from sex material gets you accused of performing surprise sex. :p
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    But you DO care about it! You care about it enough to want to ruin/prevent it.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    Engrish, I think you're taking the opinion of one troper in the TRS thread and taking it too far.

    How bout this, why don't you guys find some examples that you think are written too creepily, give me some ideas of a neutral write-up, and I'll make the edits and deal with any following rape accusations?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    No, I don't care about it. As such, I don't want to see it. And as such, I don't see why we should have it being a public affair.

    If you need to tell other people about these things, get a blog. That's what they're there for. Or hell, use your contributor page if you need to tell everyone about how you're a badass whatever, but I don't need to know that and I definetly don't need to read about how much you'd do X anime girl when I'm looking for a new show to watch or whatever.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    I can't help it. I'm bad at wording things because I'm a child at heart. Sometimes my words reflect the fact that there's a child and an adult rubbing together inside me. 

  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Then don't read it but don't be a dick and ruin it for everyone else either. "I don't like it so they shouldn't be allowed to say it" and things like that is incredibly poor justification.
  • DonZabuDonZabu
    >there's a child and an adult rubbing together inside me. 

    >not sure if intentional
  • RaddRadd
    edited 2011-08-06 15:59:02
    Taking sex fantasies of Anime Girls off of pages =/= ruining it for everyone else
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
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    @Meeble: Well... there's always the Madoka character sheet.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-06 16:00:51
    I agree, Radd, and I'm pretty sure that's the official mod position on the topic as well.

    ^ List the examples here, give me your idea on a rewrite, and I'll go for it.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    it just seems like everybody is too concerned about the wiki being "nice" or " pretty" or some such nonsense.  What ever happened to Don't Like Don't Read?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    If the Wiki and it's community wants it, they can keep it, but I'm allowed to be outspoken against it in every thread in which is relevant and I'm allowed to argue my position. I'm not the only one who thinks that the wiki is getting too creepy and is hoarding way too much material that deviates from its mission statement.

    Also, don't like don't read is a lousy argument when it comes to consensus-driven wikis. 
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    edited 2011-08-06 16:04:06
    I don't see why not. you'de be amazed how many people get screwed over by democracy in such a way. why because one group doesn't like a thing and can very easily avoid it should it be changed and ruin it for everyone else? It's a perfectly reasonable justification. just because you don't like it does that mean it should be removed for everyone?
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
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    @Meeble: I wasn't thinking of a full rewrite, but rather, removing the fanservice tropes, since a (presumable) adult saying that a 14-year-old (anime) girl has a nice ass is skeevy.

    Neo_Crimson tried editing the My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic character page, but it got reverted. Then again, Cute Witch isn't a fanservice trope, and technically neither is Cute Shotaro Boy... maybe double check before cutting?
  • RaddRadd
    edited 2011-08-06 16:14:45
    Thumped.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    edited 2011-08-06 16:14:51
    Thumped.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    Doesn't "Cute Shotaro Boy" refer to the little boy fetish?

    Or the sword fetish. I don't speak Japanese.

  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
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    "For the love of all that is holy, don't confuse this trope with Shotacon."
  • RaddRadd
    edited 2011-08-06 16:16:37
    @Tnu

    You looked like you were about to, that is hw those things always start.

    ^The name still would confuse people.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-06 16:16:23
    Engrish: If the creator's intentionally apply fanservice tropes to their 14-year old characters, then they should rightfully apply. Some tropes used in fiction will make us uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean they're not valid examples of tropes.

    Now if those tropes are being shoe-horned by editors in places they really don't apply, then they should be removed.
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
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    According to the Puella Magi Wiki, the only place where this was done intentionally was with Mami's breast size.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    I meant that the trope itself is intentionally applied. As far as I'm aware, any examples where clothing damage or school swimsuits are used would count for those pages, even though those tropes fall under the fanservice index.

    I think the only time it wouldn't count would be tropes where the "Intended as Fanservice" versus "Not Intended as Fanservice" are broken out into separate tropes, like "Panty Shot" versus "Innocent Panties".
  • BobBob
    Holy shit, me and Rott agree on something? 0_0

    Zettai Ryouiki is the only reason Hatsune Miku is so popular.

    She's a Japanese singing robot. Japanese. Singing. Robot. I'm pretty sure those are the main things tropers fantasize about.

    Nope.  Miku is the only one whose songs I like.  And by that I mean, like... 3 songs, but still.  More than any other Vocaloid.

    Go to youtube and type in "Kagamine Rin panties". I'm sure you'll absolutely loooove it.
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
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    Now that's just cruel. :(
  • SchitzoSchitzo
    They're somethin' else.
    ^^


  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    @Elbeem > @Glenn:
    As far as I'm aware, all Fanservice tropes list examples whenever they
    appear in media, not just when they're invoked. I'm not sure why Zettai
    should be held to a different standard.

    Perhaps they should all be changed, then.

    For fanservice tropes that are culturally normal in context, they should only have examples if they are intentionally invoked.  Or maybe make a separate section for when the trope is paid attention to by a large section of the fanbase.
  • BobBob
    This may just be ignorance on my part, but I still don't see how it qualifies as a trope. Why isn't there a trope about men wearing flannel button-up shirts and jeans, or women wearing kind of long-ish blouses and pants that come slightly above their ankles?
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