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Forzare

I usually find them distracting and annoying. :l

Engrish_Ivy

@evilneko, DYRE: We know. You don't need to remind us.

Malkavian

Unless they're a prominent part of the show or really WHAT THE I tend to not to notice them

I ended up not posting the trailer for Blazblue:  CS 2 due to the loli panty shot it had. =/

Bob

DYRE: I'd be inclined to see that as being much, much worse.

Stormtroper

@Cygan: I'm pretty sure it's saying that the audience would recognize it
should they see it. Really, the only tropes I would expect are
omnipresent ones, or I would expect for particular reasons that apply to
Panty Shot, such as in a fanservice-y work, the same way I would expect
time travel tropes in time travel shows.

DonZabu

You know what, if an anime contains a lot of panty shots, there's probably not a lot worthwhile about the rest of the show to be distracted from. Think about it: why else would you be watching a show like My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute if the fanservice honestly annoys you?

Or maybe I'm just thinking of the wrong kinds of shows.

Rottweiler

^ Please tell me My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute isn't a real anime...

DYRE

OreImo doesn't actually have much fanservice, at least of the pantyshot kind and similar.  Though there is some, I guess.

I don't think that was a very good example...

DonZabu

Badda-boom.

^ I never actually watched the show, that's just the first of its ilk that came to me.

Nova

Here.

DYRE

and you're left with little ambiguity as to where the studio's loyalties lie.

The people who are actually willing to pay money for anime?  Who'd have ever guessed?

Rottweiler

...

Dear Japan,

Stop making anime.

Malkavian

^^^The idea that gratuitous fanservice is unique to modern anime would make a british royal guardsman collapse in guffaws.

Nova

Yeah, but pandering to base elements just because they sell does not have the makings of a good show.

It's why I'm so annoyed by the trope page. Because these people are obsessively listing every instance of fanservice they can find. It's really fucking creepy and obsessive. It's like, while fanservice is a trend, it's not something used to build a story- it has nothing to do with a story except how it titillates the viewers.

^ Not unique, but overly prevalent.

DonZabu

^^^ You haven't even heard the synopsis yet:

The little sister is 14-years-old, gets top marks in school, and works as a model on the side, and then at one point, the older brother discovers that she's secretly an otaku of little sister fetish games, probably as some kind of surrogate.

Engrish_Ivy

@Malkavian: The median age of fanservicey characters has dropped by about a decade, though...

Bob

@MyLittleSisterBlahBlahBlah: ಠ_ಠ

Malkavian

^^^^Erm, stuff like La Blue Girl came around in the late eighties and don't even pretend their fanservice isn't a big part of why anime saw the light of day in the west.

As for the rest of your post I agree. I'm one of those weirdos not against fanservice (and I feel if even a fourth of the people who said they hated fanservice actually did, it wouldn't be around) but the incessant cataloging of it does give me some shivers.

^^Bulma shed her tits all the time in Dragon Ball and she was sixteen tops.

DonZabu

I've seen worse things be obsessively cataloged, like those hoarders that save all their pee in bottles.

DYRE

Oreimo was really good.

Nova

Erm, stuff like La Blue Girl came around in the late eighties and don't even pretend their fanservice isn't a big part of why anime saw the light of day in the west.

Certainly sounds like a quality show, too.

Bob

Oreimo?

Gah, I don't know what any of you are talking about. :<

DonZabu

^^ We need more hentai reviews in the world, I say.

Malkavian

^^^My point is that pretending that the reason modern anime sucks is fanservice is really really silly. Fanservice has always been a strong part of anime. I also just mentioned Dragon Ball, which is hailed as a classic and how often it uses a teen for its sex comedy.

DYRE

^^^ Oreimo is an abbreviateion for Ore No Imouto Ga Konna Ni Kawaii Wake Ga Nai.

Or, that show DonZabu mentioned, but unofficial translations of titles of things suck and should never be used ever for any reason.

Nova

My point is that pretending that the reason modern anime sucks is fanservice is really really silly. Fanservice has always been a strong part of anime. I also just mentioned Dragon Ball, which is hailed as a classic and how often it uses a teen for its sex comedy.

I'm not saying anime sucks because of fanservice.

I'm saying that fanservice is generally an intrusive method used to titillate the viewer in an attempt to pander to people who like to watch girls flash their panties. It's not used to actually do anything in the story, it doesn't characterize, it doesn't advance the plot, it doesn't build the setting, it does none of that. It's there exclusively to appeal to viewers.

Please do note the 'generally', too. Fanservice can work, when it's not used just to titillate viewers.

Engrish_Ivy

@Malkavian: ...And Bulma's age is more than balanced out by the fact that, in the eighties and early-to-mid nineties, there were plenty of fanservicey characters who were over the age of eighteen. Now, though, sixteen is considered to be on the "old" side for a girl who has panty shots and the like.

DYRE

I like being titillated though, so I'm not sure how a show trying to do that is somehow not "work"ing.

DonZabu

>It's not used to actually do anything in the story, it doesn't characterize, it doesn't advance the plot, it doesn't build the setting, it does none of that. 

Which brings me back to my other point: how many shows with this sort of thing going on on a regular basis have plot or characters that are worth advancing? 

You make it sound like all these shows could've been great if it weren't for the fanservice because they're otherwise such masterworks of subtle story-weaving, instead of the typical moe schlock they usually are. 

Maybe that was the case fifteen, ten, or perhaps even five years ago, but now, not so much.

Malkavian

I'm not reacting to anything you said, Cygan.

I'm reacting to the article you posted, which seems to imply that fanservice is something recent in anime with lines like "I have understood that fanservice is intrinsic to modern anime." which imply that they weren't a strong part of older shows like Dragon Ball or Ghost in The Shell or Yu Yu Hakusho.

So I guess I'm just ranting against nostalgia there. I agree with your principles on fanservice. Again, I don't mind it so long as it's part of the story and engaging, and has boobies. However, the cataloging needs to be... not destroyed... but watched much more carefully.

^^^So wait, it's a question of numbers? Like, how many extremely popular character with underage fanservice characters can we have? Because there are plenty of other underage fanservice characters in that era. Not all of them female either.