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I am not ready to quit TV Tropes yet
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...wait
that sounds like a really, really, really, REALLY good idea.
Has he actually replaced the discussion pages with forum threads?
Because it's MUCH, MUCH easier to have actual discussions about a trope, its scope, its examples, its explanation, how to improve it, and much more, in a forum setting than on a wiki page setting.
@Forzare > It's not too late to follow me out!
@Cygan > Fuck the left-hand side though.
@Forzare > And the left side can go eat a bag of dicks.
WHAT IS WITH YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR HATRED FOR THE PLACE????
Seriously, I post in that left-hand side sometimes myself. And I don't just mean the Soup Bowl.
@AnneBeeche > I have X-Chat aqua.
YAY X-CHAT USER
Add a new server for Espernet or find the Espernet entry in your server list.
Change the settings on that server so that it points to irc.esper.net, and put in your preferred auto-join channel and your preferred nickname (if different from your global nickname).
Are you new to IRC? Esper.net itself has a guide to IRC for newbies.
@ninjaclown > Okay, just to get a clear idea, from everyone here, can each of you list your reasons why you think going to TvT is still worthwhile OR not worth going to anymore? Just trying to get a general feel from you guys.
...let me answer this in another post.
@GLORIOUSLeader > BuxomIsBetter discussion thread
What's wrong with this thread?
Heck, I just commented in it.
I thought it usefully provided a distinguishing criterion between the invoked and audience-reaction-produced versions of the trope.
Hell, that's why IJBM was axed in the first place.
Pros:
* Catalogues devices used in creative work. These devices are very useful for my analyzing works, wherein I mentally take them apart and put them back together to understand why they have had what effects on me as audience, and giving me lots of ideas (and examples!) about how to use them in my own stories.
* Cataloguing trends and other phenomena related to creative work. I've found myself very interested in audience and fandom reactions and the dynamics of these. Unfortunately this is not quite the core content of the site (which is the point above), but there is still a lot of this and I would love to see this content expanded. There's a lot of original research that can be done here--original research that doesn't really have another place to go on the web right now, apart from personal blogs. (Remember that Wikipedia doesn't allow original research.) For example, I was thinking about starting an article on "fandom stagnation", possibly asking for input in finding examples--which would then find me counterexamples which would be very useful case studies in figuring out WHY those fandoms (such as Evangelion's) didn't stagnate despite lack of new content (for a while at least) when others did.
* A place for me to catalogue devices, as well as trends, relating to creative work. I like counting instances of such and such plot device or character type and to compare and contrast them myself. This site gives me a place to gather such data. This also applies to chord progressions.
* A forum with a large and multi-disciplinary/multi-fandom userbase, relatively high speed of posting, and relatively lax posting rules. No rules against double-posting, nearly-contentless posts, reaction images, video embedding, and sometimes even thread topic, as long as things stay relatively drama-free. This means that I have lots of leeway to post almost anything I want, to disseminate information (such as my ideas for stories or my opinions on issues), as well as to get feedback on my thoughts and ideas.
* The large and very active userbase also means it's relatively easier to organize things, such as puzzlehunt teams and D&D groups.
Cons:
* Site not managed very well technically; between the forum's custom software and various administrative decisions, it seems that a lot of policies, practices, and resources were cobbled together on a whim or as a temporary fix. Also, some apparently illogical moves, such as allowing people to collect over ten thousand avatars in a gallery (which all loads at once when visited).
* Site not managed very well socially; I agree with the intention of discouraging negativity, but quite sometimes it DOES get in the way of openly discussing stuff. (Now if only those people who like to insult everyone all the time could tone it down some, that would also help.) Additionally, the moderation team has been shown to be rather fractured, overworked, and lacking in intercommunication, with some number of controversial actions being taken unilaterally (and without explanation sometimes!).
* The PMWiki markup is not the easiest thing to get a hold of, lacks underline, and doesn't like me single-spacing things. (Though this last one has slightly been ameliorated by making the thing NOT remove one of every pair of newline backslashes every time I edit a post...)
And yeah, there are how many mods? Fast Eddie/Janitor (they seem to alternate), Fighteer, Morven, Tangent128, Camacan, Madrugada, blackcat, MetaFour, BobbyG, and Ironeye. Yep, ten.
For one forum that moves this fast, this ought to be enough. But by one forum, I mean, say, Yack Fest by itself. I'd preferably have, say, a few mods covering YF, a few mods covering OTC, and like another 10 mods covering the wiki improvement forums (wiki talk, image pickin', etc.) because those need more attention as well as moderator actions to do things. Their powers can overlap but their areas of focus should be something like that.
And that's on top of having multiple admins for a site this busy.
Same applies to Fetish Fuel, Troper Tales, and other spinoff wikis.
Allows people to retain their desired activity even when it doesn't contribute to the original site.
^^^Again, getting more mods would've required effort.But yeah, principle of the thing.
For some reason Cygan's presence has helped me maintain some semblance of self-control. Not even the fact that she's a mod, just the fact that she posts here more often than she did back then.