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Nakama is being renamed.

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  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^
    Appeal to tradition?

  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    People were using You Fail X Forever in the wrong contexts, even in fantasy settings where magic occurs. Geology and Biology have nothing to do with alien proportions, and what not. And people were mainly using it to badmouth anime and video games they hated anyway so a rename, while unfunny, was in order.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Tredition isn't always a valid reason to keep somthing in place i[m just syaing that in this case it feels right. For example I hate most Conservative arguments in this nature because of what they are trying to accomplish. But this jsut feels off to me.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-07-10 11:24:12
    You can change. You can.
    Basically, the thing is this, Tnu, if the name worked like Xanatos Gambit (AKA, it actually was related to the trope), then we might...might let it pass. But it doesn't. It's a Japanese word One Piece fans took and gave much more weight than it did have.

    It's kinda like how Badass Boast was called "Who the hell do you think I am" or something like that. The people who don't know who said that or why he said that, they simply stare at the letters vewwwy carefully, for they don't know what the fuck went through people's mind when OKaying that thing.
  • GlowsquidGlowsquid
    Silence is golden.
    The tableware groups are dumb (read: retarded) and anyone who take them seriously is silly.

    on that note, if I ever create a name faction, it would be called This Is Totally Stupid.
  • CrimsonCrimson
    Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!
    I'd join that! It has the best acronym ever!
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Seems to me like a sillt attempt at riding the Todd in the Shadows boat. :P
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Trusted Coterie is my last contribution.

    Hey, if Coterie is obscure, it's still better known than Nakama.

    Now goodnight everyone.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Night, Cygan. ^_^
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Gah. I don't even care any more, let them fuckin' name it Musketeers or Fellowship or whatever. I need sleep.
  • ┻━┻ ︵ ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻┻━┻ ︵ ヽ(`Д´）╯︵ ┻━┻
    Tableflipper
    Appeal to tradition?

    It worked for some JAAFAC images.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    JAAFAC?
  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    edited 2011-07-10 12:46:39
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    ^^I like the way you think. My Fellowship is one of jerkasses. Thus, we are the Fellowship of Jerkasses. We use the ring to fuck with people. We blame Leia for the Empire following her to Yavin.
  • LouieWLouieW
    edited 2011-07-10 12:47:14
    Loser
    I am not actually a big fan of the nakama name for the reasons others have already mentioned here and in the rename thread (i.e. it being an opaque name that is not necessarily clearly a correct use of the Japanese term). That being said, I do not really understand renaming it now unless we go against protocol and break the "if it is getting good inbounds and no misuse it should not be renamed" standard. If we do that, then I think that nakama is not only trope we should be looking at in terms of having good inbounds and good usage combined with a poor name.

    I am actually fine with taking a look at other tropes that were grandfathered in and actually have fairly opaque titles. However, I doubt that will really ever happen for certain names and the reasons given will most likely be that they are getting good use. Thus, I can see how some would see this process as being an instance of a Japanese-named trope being singled out.

    Basically, I do not really see how nakama is really any less clear than something like "The McCoy" or "Xanatos Gambit" or such besides the fact that nakama is not in English.

    As for the second argument about how nakama does not really mean friends like family in Japanese, I think there are actually plenty of other tropes where tropers added a meaning to words or a character's name that did not necessarily exist there beforehand or where tropers emphasized one part of a character's traits over others. "The Mario" and "The McCoy" come to mind from me.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    I complained about The Mario once, though I didn't dwell on it too much as I was more focused on Luigification at the time (a much more glaringly unintuitive name). Still think it could be Jack Of All Trades instead, since the site already has Master Of None.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    The star trek named power trio does need a rename.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    I still don't get what the fuss is. It's not a loanword and doesn't mean what the trope needs it to mean.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    There really isn't a fuss on whether to rename or not (And the arguments to keep it so far have been nothing but Grandfather clause and let's keep obscure names on the up and up.)  

    Like I said, the only reason this is a big deal is because of the last time we discussed this led to a banning and the creation of the mirrorwiki. 
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Wait, the mirror wiki is that old? I thought it was created over the YMMV thing.
  • SchitzoSchitzo
    They're somethin' else.
    THREAD HOPPING

    Wait... It's getting renamed??!?!?

    FUCK YAYUGH!
  • LouieWLouieW
    edited 2011-07-10 13:54:33
    Loser
    Juan_Carlos,
    There really isn't a fuss on whether to rename or not (And the arguments
    to keep it so far have been nothing but Grandfather clause and let's
    keep obscure names on the up and up.) 

    I think you kind of pointed out why the discussion is a bit messed up. I mean, it is true that there are good reasons to rename nakama and I certainly would not miss it if it were renamed. However, from what I can tell, the Grandfather clause and good usage arguments are often used to take down rename suggestions for other tropes.

    Basically, I am bit confused about how to weigh such arguments since I am not well-versed in TRS protocol. I agree about renaming The McCoy though. I think that The Kirk probably deserves a name change too, and I would guess The Spock would have to follow along with that as well even if I feel like that one is much more obvious to most people than the other two. Still, I could be wrong about that and from what I have seen, there is not support to rename any of those three tropes. In any event, since I do not have a strong opinion on this topic, I should probably stay out of it.
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