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That said, DLC did seem to draw some kind of strength from soulbonding. I mean, maybe "What would Samus do?" is a bit of a strange question to ask, but still, she regarded it as a source of confidence and self-worth, rather than, IDK, going around shooting everything that moved or whatever.
Do religions necessarily need to include those things? For one, new-age religions don't have traditions, and for another, one could argue that how she lives her life is a lifestyle.
Fictional characters have a demonstratable effect on the world.
Therefore fictional characters exist as fictional characters.
DLC believed that they existed as real people.
And now it is apparently the phallusbird. It speaks to me in my dreams.
^But as far as I know DLC is the only soulbonder we had, so a discussion of soulbonding will inevitably come back to her.
Hell, most of us probably wouldn't even know about soulbonding if it weren't for her.
Also, it's also making me uncomfortable.
Do soulbonders do that?
Plus, I think it is probably better for people to focus on a troper's posts individually rather than try to give some kind of judgement about a troper in general. Thus, when people talk about their opinions of certain tropers in this thread or others I find it a bit odd. I may just be weird, but I feel like talking behind people's backs is pretty annoying anyway even if it is done on the internet where it is really not the same thing.
I apologize if that sounded preachy.
Also, rational side, lol
Louie, what you're saying is fine and well, but the moment a poster goes
beyond discussing ideas and starts talking about personal experience is
the moment that you start seeing and treating them as a human being.
This is why people treat the forum as a community, and why certain
people react to a ban by way of begging the administration to let them
back in. Sympathy and antipathy are part and parcel of social relations,
and if you're not interested in engaging in them, well, maintain a very
sterile and unapproachable presence on the forum and only engage in
SERIOUS BUSINESS discussions.
I agree that you should treat other tropers as human beings. That is why I think they deserve respect and why I think complaining about them when they are not around is not appropriate. As for the sterile and unapproachable presence on the forum business, I think it is perfectly fine to try to act like a polite stranger rather than like a friend on a forum. Sorry, I guess that might not be clear. I could explain it a bit more if you would like.
I suppose I fit into the first faction you describe though I would not put it that way. In my mind, if someone seems to be excessively seeking attention (the "special snowflake syndrome issue"), it is better to ignore him or her or just respond to the other parts of that person's posts. Now, if literally all that someone talks about is something that bothers you (which I do not believe was the case) and he or she does not appear ready to just stop, then I believe not responding is probably a better solution than responding.
If you think that you can help someone's personal situation and really want to do so, I think you should prove that by approaching that person gently and trying to ease him or her into making a change. I believe that being harsh will not only make it seem like you are treating him or her irrationally, but will also probably make the other person get defensive and not listen to what you have to say.
On the issue of enabling, from what I can tell, tropers probably do not have another troper's best interest mind when they complain about him or her in such a way. Sorry, but I tend to be quite skeptical when people say that they "called someone out" in the best interest of that person. Often, I feel like such explanations really are just people trying to justify insulting someone they do not like. As I said earlier, I think such grudges are silly so I believe that "calling people out" is usually not necessary.
Calling someone out on something is not the same as insulting a person.
Usually, it involves listing specific annoying traits of said person and
pointing that they could stand to be worked on. Is said person is
insulted, it is because their behavior has been found annoying.
I apologize if I was unclear before. I guess my issue here is really intent. The main reason why I am skeptical when people say that calling someone out is good is because I think that people often do it in order to vent about someone else rather than in order to help improve that person. Also, I really do not think that forum posts are a good place for that kind of thing anyway (I would suggest PMs instead).
If you honestly only care about helping someone else, then I think it is best for you to try to keep that kind of thing between you and other person if possible. I tend to believe that people dislike it when someone points our their flaws in front of people and if anything that will make them less likely to change and more defensive, thus fueling the very problems you mention. I feel like talking about such issues in posts makes the whole thing seem too much like public shaming, but that might just be a personal preference.
I am afraid I am not too familiar with the specific troper's situation, sorry. My issue here is mainly that even if it is common sense for a troper to act a certain way, I believe it is still inappropriate to complain about that troper here or elsewhere. I think that consulting a moderator is a much better idea if you believe that someone is trying to fuel drama and will not stop. Again, my primary concern is not necessary how the specific troper acted, but what I see as the unnecessary and inappropriate reaction both here and elsewhere, especially the personal grudge nature of some of the comments I have seen.
However, it may be true that I misinterpreted some posts here and I apologize if that is the case. If I did, feel free to point that out to me.
Oh Chagen...