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You did though so congrats!
Eyup.
Yeah I'd always assumed she was real.
Well, extremely smart people also tend to be insane in one way or the other.
I assumed he became crazy (or, to be kind, "took on her personality") after she died or something.
Yeah the whole thing was insane.
Shortie update:
Though in my defense a big part on why I didn't think it was him was that he seemed too obvious a suspect, given how convenient the seance setup was.
* There's something depressing about people losing their faith like that.
* Given how strong the "the departed's biggest wish was for the survivors to live on" theme is across the series, it made sense that it'd also be part of a non-victim, non-blackened character.
* Oh hey, it's the character who in my mind is the Ultimate Killing Game Connaisseur.
* I've been waiting since forever for cosplaying to come up, and with the lab being here I guess this is it.
* I wonder what the lab of the DR1/DR2 Ultimates would look like.
* Keebo's lab looks like a Protoss structure.
* I couldn't help but notice that two kids in Maki Roll's orphanage recollection look like Shuichi and Tsumugi. I've been doing a lot of "X looks like Y" this game.
* So the characters will get to play DR2.
* There's no way I would've gotten into the virtual world.
* There's a high probability there's a mobile game of this.
*The virtual world is easy on my GPU.
* If I saw snow I'd probably react like Kaito.
* A bit more and I'd have updated about a murder above, I thought there'd be more exploring first. So this time it was Miu.
* Just the other day I learned how to quickly check if two files are identical on Windows 10 (on Command Prompt, fc filepath1 filepath2).
* Hmmm... choking from something in your throat does not cause an "external injury", does it?
* Or poison.
* Only the signboard could be used as a bridge? I really thought the wooden lattice would be the bridge.
* I'd think Miu's avatar counting as an object would make it indestructable. I'd expect her avatar to still be able to drown though.
* Whoever set the signboard on the west side of the river wanted to pin this on the characters there, given all the other stuff that'd be Kaito.
* Man, Miu and Kokichi have each behaved more suspiciously than anybody else in any other case has. I suppose Miu was preparing a murder or had some other deceitful plan and it backfired.
* I wish I had been told which wall Miu added. And for that matter what happens when you mess with the memories/consciousness cables.
* The big mystery is how could Tsumugi and Shuichi hear Keebo from the mansion.
* The only ones who could've been on the rooftop are Miu (who can drop without getting injured) and Kaito (who could've been logged out from there). IIRC the missing object at the storage room wasn't identifiable when one goes there the first time around.
* The way the Truth Bullet is worded, it's not possible to log someone else out using the landline phone.
* I can't help but notice that if it weren't for the forest, the map would wrap around horizontally.
* Ahh, of course, the map does wrap around horizontally, the loading line is where it wraps and there's only one wall, no wonder the explanation for the extra wall was so awkward.
* That also means the direction of the river's flow is not relevant for the purpose of the signboard's destination.
* Alright, let's see. Assuming Miu was killed within the virtual world, Kaito is clear, and at any rate he couldn't have been behind the other virtual world movements; Himiko, Maki and Keebo were together at the chapel throughout the whole thing; Tsumugi was close to Shuichi, it seems trying something would be risky, though I do find it conspicuous that checking Dining Hall items makes her tell you to check the kitchen instead. That leaves Gonta and Kokichi.
* I rechecked real quick and the storage room contained the wooden board.
* The only obvious question remaining seems to be the nature of the user error glitch and who was affected by it, but I didn't notice anything odd about the virtual world except what looked like actual glitches with characters stuck on moving animations and minor things like that.
* Ah, assuming the toilet paper doesn't tear, it can be used to get down from the rooftop.
* I feel like I'm very close to figure this out, the small pieces of the puzzle are easier than usual and I only need to assemble them into a coherent whole. Still, I don't quite know how the actual death took place.
* Kokichi mentioned something about strangling those he want to notice him. Maybe that's what the toilet paper was for?
* Depending on avatar weight and strength, perhaps Miu's avatar and the other objects could be thrown from the other side of the wall. Of course, anybody could've retrieved the signboard and use it as a bridge, but that's the simplest explanation for the crashing sound. Also it seems that if you fell beyond the guardrail on the west side of the rooftop you'd end up there.
* Gonta was oblivious about the whole thing, maybe that had less to do with never watching sci-fi movies and more to do with him being afflicted by the glitch.
* I figure it wouldn't be hard to hide the hammer within the snow or chapel junk.
* Alright, it's obvious that Kokichi was involved in some way, not necessarily as the culprit. Gonta is another I can't clear up, but I saw the event of him, Himiko and Shuichi training by doing magical girl poses so I hope it's not him. It's also possible that Miu died by some accident that may not be entirely self-inflicted but still doesn't count as being murdered.
* I'm guessing Miu and Kokichi planned to do something (likely incriminate) to Kaito who was supposed to be at the rooftop, Miu secretely planned to do something to do something to Kokichi but one way or another it failed (maybe the glitch caused her to be immobilized instead of Kokichi) and she ended up dead (maybe from falling off the rooftop, or just plain killed with the hammer she probably brought). Whoever else was at the rooftop maybe threw the lattice through the wall (come to think of it, I don't know if the wall is inifinitelly high) so as to avoid placing blame on the mansion searchers, and maybe threw the hammer and body too, then brought toilet paper if it wasn't there already, locked the door and escaped. Being the last to log in, Miu is the most likely candidate for setting up the poison bottle red herring.
* So accident (or "accident"), Kokichi or Gonta. Let's go, alright.
*The ruling on voting ties sounds like is going to be useful in the future.
* It occurs to me that they ruled out real-world poison too quickly, it could've been a different poison without the bloodshot effect.
* I kinda forgot about the suffocation gestures pointing to the toilet paper. Whatevs, shouldn't matter too much.
* Pink bloodshot eyes must be creepy.
* Man, nearly half of the remaining survivors are quite dumb.
* Gosh not another Psyche Taxi minigame, it's the second this trial. Why does this have to take so long.
* It occurs ro me that Miu should've just created a "kill everybody else" button.
* Huh, I hadn't made the connection between logging Kaito out, framing him and making it look like the crime took place in the real world.
* On second thought, maybe the stuff didn't hit the wall, but the celing, IIRC the chapel is much shorter than the mansion.
* Ahh so that's what the lattice was for.
* So Kokichi looks genuinely nervous. I didn't think he'd be so helpful during the trial if he were the blackened but perhaps he really is after all.
* Shuichi forgot to lie in a "I want you to know I'm lying" way.
* So that's how the Kokichi immobilization thing comes up, it's kind of obvious in hindsight, though I didn't discard the glitch undoing it. So maybe it's not Kokichi?
* If Kokichi is claiming that Gonta killed Miu while following a plan he masterminded, he'd do well in explaning the plan.
* It seems Shuichi is going to earn a few enemies during this trial.
* Good thing there's the ruling on voting ties, so they can agree to split votes. Though the characters probably wouldn't agree to having their lives depend on Kokichi not messing up things on purpose.
* Still though, unless the nature of the glitch is revealed I don't know how you'd go about pinning this on Gonta over Kokichi.
* Man this trial got tense, it's been a while since we passed the "invisible timer" for when the current suspect stays suspect and is the culprit, but I'm still undecided.
* I still think Kokichi could've killed her with something besides toilet paper. Or he could've covered his body or something.
* Although apparently the toilet-paper-as-grappling-tool is going to be the key against Gonta, in hindsight I think using it would probably take too long.
* The chibi figures from the Closing Arguments are cute.
* I guess it was about time there was a murder that involved cooperation.
* I voted for Kokichi.
* So I guess everybody forgot what Monokuma said at the beginning?
* I just found out I'm not playing on Mean.
* Watching Kokichi troll the characters is fun and all, but he's done something unforgivable; he's trolled me, the player.
* Insert copy paste of my response to DR1's ending here.
* Hmmm... so Kokichi actually didn't mean to mess with us? And Gonta was genuinely convinced without involving trickery?
* wings, I'm guessing at least you were glad the execution didn't involve spiders?
* Oh wait, he didn't mean it, I got trolled again. So I guess he's following Nagito's footsteps about turning out (or revealing to be) even more unhinged than before by chapter 5.
* Also I thought the (yet unrevealed) secret about the outside world was going to be about the simulation itself.
* The two remaining Monokubs are kill. I think Monotaro (the red ninja one) almost didn't swear, perhaps you were thinking of someone else?
* So according to precedent, chapter 5 will involve lots of happenings and an out-of-the-box case, I'm very curious about it.
On one hand, I finally got a case more or less right for the most part, on the other hand:
Maaaaan I want to know what happens next sooo bad.
*Alright, chapter 5, this is the point where I can stop taking it for granted that more students will die. OTOH given the tone of the game I can't disregard the possibility of something like there being a mistrial, the students getting executed and then end up going to Ultimate hell.
I checked and I really was playing on Mean. For some reason that's referred to as "Normal" on the Trial score menu. Either that or it refers to something else.
* So this is when the Academy feels really empty.
* I thought the black-and-white tiled door was for the Ultimate Supreme Leader's Lab.
* In line with the theme of enrolling students with undesirable Ultimate talents, I guess Rantaro was the Ultimate Serial Killer.
* The hydraulic press looks eerie.
* From the safety sign about the infrared sensor, I guess Keebo is in danger.
* I suppose Keebo doesn't know how infrared sensors work?
* Man, even knowing all this story stuff it's not easy to know what presents Maki likes, sje's inconsistent about how she reacts to kid stuff.
* So that's why there's been no rule yet limiting the number of victims. Monokuma could come along and establish that rule but I bet they agreed to something beforehand.
* I have a bad feeling about this Underground Tunnel thing.
* Ah well, it was a given that the world had been destroyed, but the lack of breathable air is going to be a problem.
* Due to some inbreeding genetics thing, the minimum amount of individuals required to repopulate the human race is IIRC 50 or so, so IRL the Gofer Plan would've been doomed from the beginning.
* Huh, that's a good explanation for the funeral thing. Alright, that puts a damper on the afterlife simulation theory.
* The Let's Player back then predicted exactly this, except for DR1.
* Yeah, I'm not convinced that Kokichi is the mastermind.
* I guess Kaito did end up going to space after all.
* I guessed there was going to be a bad ending choice around here.
* Man this thing with the passage of time is creepy.
* I dunno about the others but I think if I were one of the last humans on Earth I think I'd feel a responsibility to live on and make humanity continue.
* Not to be robophobic but I wonder why Keebo was part of the plan to recreate humanity.
* That explanation from the Flashback Light was kind of abrupt.
* I wonder if the DR2 characters are involved, or if it's different Remnants of Despair.
* Man, wait 24 hours to charge the hammers? That's plenty of time for a crime.
* Also I feel the writers are making things harder on themselves when it comes to potential sequels by making things about the end of the world and stuff.
* There's no way going to the hangar alone is a good idea.
* There's a very high probability Kokichi is hearing or will hear Shuichi's conversation with Kaito.
* Alright, every non-Kaito, non-Kokichi made it to the morning, so that's good.
* Ugh, that's easily the most gruesome non-execution murder so far.
* Ahhh, I remember having a lot of trouble back then due to nor being ceetain of who the victim was after Mukuro's pretend-murder. I now know better than to think too much about it before seeing who's at the class trial.
* There's a non-zero probability I'm going to find another corpse around here somewhere.
* Fortunately it's not hard to figure out the victim was already dead by the time their body was crushed.
* I think this is the first investigation that uses FPS movement.
* Alright, I'm at the trial save prompt and still no appearances, I guess I should start guessing now with no easy help on finding out who the victim was. The slow acting poison makes it easy for the characters to do things while being sentenced to death, both Kaito and Kokichi could be dead.
* According to precedent, although one can ger very far in figuring out what happened, it's not reasonable to find out who the blackened is at this point.
* I'll set aside questions about the mastermind's identity for now, nothing says that it's not Alter Ego Junko or Alter Ego Kokichi or Alter Ego Rantaro or whatever.
* The part of the jacket thay's visible is the left sleeve, which is the part that Kaito usually wore, and it's bloodied so he probably got hit there by a crossbow bolt.
* Oh, of course, that also suggests he/his body wasn't wearing it while pressed, pressumably because he's not the one who got pressed.
* The easy candidate for driving the Exisal into the hangar was Maki, who did not have her electrohammer with her at the dining hall, presumably because it's the one at the cyberplace because she used it to disable the Exisal.
* So things seem to point at Kaito having killed Kokichi with the crossbow that Himiko provided, Maki breaking into the lab earlier or later and either of these two stripping Kokichi's body and pressing him, also disabling the press so we can't examine the body, no idea why. Kaito IIRC made a point out of not killing anybody, so that's one reason, but you'd think not causing a mistrial would be more important for at least one of them to speak up. Of course, they could be covering for each other, maybe?
* I'd expect less blood from being hit by two crossbow bolts, not enough to make a blood trail, but what do I know.
* I don't know what to make of the fact that the trail of blood is visibly fainter than the press blood or bathroom blood.
* Unlike as usual, I think I have a plausible explanation for the big picture but not the smaller details, which looks like a good way to get things wrong.
* Per the Truth Bullets, the only things I'm not accounting for are the slashes on the hangar shutter's panel, the two Electrobomb that Kokichi supposedly had, and the fact that there are two poison bottles.
* I don't think there's much to uncover about the antidotes except that at some point someone was looking to undo the effects of the uses poison(s).
* Can I convince me that the (empty) bottle at the bathroom was simply a container for the Strike-9 poison?
I feel this has been a long chapter already, time for a rest.
Oh yeah, I remember thinking it was really cute. Memories of this really make me want to replay DRV3...
I thought it was?
I liked those!... but only when I didn't screw up.
Oh yeah IIRC by DRV3 I was surprisingly used to whatever.
Was he at least really brash and annoying and the worst? I quite remember disliking Monotaro a lot.
It never does!
That would have been cool.
(Trying not to spoil) Thinking along this rigid line will not get you to his true identity.
But in all honesty there's just no actual guessing considering what happens at some point that I will avoid mentioning.
I think K1-B0's whole schtick is supposed to be that despite being a super cool robot, he's not exactly very smart or knowledgable about robots.
That and he's an anti-robophobia activist.
This criticism also frequently comes up regarding the Danganronpa team's next game, Zanki Zero. Mainly because they actually go ahead and mention it in the game.
I never considered this but I can't remember if he was ever explicitly ruled out so there might be some weird stuff going on inside of him.
Considering this was the last DR before the team moved on to other projects...
You will never guess who the mastermind is using precedent, or really at all. It's practically unguessable.
Maybe I should give you a hint?*
I think Chapter 5's murderer is easy to guess but the motive is like, insane.
Hint*, though I think if you spend even like 2 seconds thinking about this, you'll get it so maybe don't check it after all
Speaking of Mastermind guessing, I still haven't accounted for that scene where Rantaro said (to the first person POV character) that "this is not your first killing game", I feel that's important.
And I also feel the fact that Monokuma stopped moving at the Cyber Courtyard is also a key.
I'm also not discounting that there may have been a change of mastermind during this chapter. Well, their entire humor is crass so that's going to include him/it, but Monotaro in pafticular didn't stand out, certainly less vulgar than Monokid, Monokuma or (especially) Miu. If it was, it wasn't brought up. (Miu logs Kaito out using a cell phone only she knew of.)
Anyhow...
* I don't quite understand why Himiko and probably Maki are hiding their helping of Kaito.
* I don't see a way to figure out the timing of the bathroom events and the hangar break in. I'll assume they happened at around the same time.
* I figure there was some discussion at that point about what to do next. Given that there's slow-acting poison involved, Kokichi was probably still alive but sentenced to death, so they had to decide who'd become the blackened.
* Given that Kaito was likely poisoned (and even if he isn't that he's sick), that if one of them had to be sacrificed it'd be him.
* Of course, if any of that is true there's the question of why Maki Roll wants to cause a mistrial.
* Speaking of which, I just realized "mistrial" means something else.
* Anyhows, I think somethin more or less like this happened. Himiko hands Kaito the crossbow and he assembles it, Maki disables the green Exisal (they don't fight back) with the electrohammer and breaks into the hangar. Either she or Himiko handed Kaito the poison bottle, which I can only guess contained Strike-9 poison. More or less at this time Kokichi goes to the bathroom and Kaito shoots at him, hitting him twice and himself one. At this point someone kills Kokichi (I assume eith Maki's knife) and the poison bottle label becomes illegible, perhaps on purpose to hinder efforts to find an antidote. Kokichi's body is stripped and pressed, the hydraulic press' power cord is then severed, and someone looks for an antidote for Kaito, to no avail, who ends up dying somewhere and his corpse is then hidden by Maki.
* I wonder if at some point one of the non-Kokichi students became desperate.
* Ignoring that, I have two hypotheses in mind for blackening: it's Kaito and Maki wants to hide the fact that he killed someone, or one way or another Maki flipped out and is making use of a good opportunity to become blackened and get away with it.
* Alright, let's uncover this mystery.
You might be on to something there, more than you think.
Yeah I didn't like Miu's gratuitous swearing but I mostly felt ambivalent about her.
Ah kay yeah that's probably it.
Hmmmm...
* Well, my hypotheses died off quickly, as soon as the trial started Monokuma said one of these two is still alive. I tried real quick to come up with something before pushing forward, to no avail. Hmmmhhh... same thing except Kaito survives?
* Alright, if Kaito is alive, there are two possibilities:
* * If Kaito and Maki are cooperating:
* * * If Kaito is the blackened: They're both are willing to sacrifice everybody for Kaito. Seems unlikely, though Kaito has mentioned things about willing to live no matter what (and if it's that, he'd be angry at Maki over it).
* * * If Maki is the blackened: Same thing but the one who'll live is not going to die from a disease.
* * If Kaito and Maki are not cooperating:
* * * If Maki is the blackened: Then Kaito is basically being held hostage unable to participate in the trial, which I guess is possible.
* * * If Kaito is the blackened: Maki wouldn't be defending him.
* Of course, all this relies on Kaito being alive and both of them being around for the events at the hangar. If either of these things is not true, I'll be super wrong. But I guess Maki is the blackened, can't decide if they're cooperating or not.
* I think the slashes on the control panel is important for this, but I can't quite make out how.
* That's a lot of text for so little gameplay, time to move on.
* I can't help but notice that the floor and one of the walls has a black-and-white checkerboard pattern.
* I wonder if the side of the sleeve that has buttons is standardized. If it's not then Shuichi is quite perceptive for noticing that.
* Oh hey, Kaito is riding an Exisal. Or maybe Kaito is an Exisal.
* lolno I got trolled. So Kaito really is dead? Or is this going to be another fraudulent trial like the one about Mukuro? The stuff pointing to it not being Kaito seemed too much to be a red herring.
* If there was a camera at the warehouse, I'd have expected Shuichi and Kaede to have found it back then when looking into revealing the Mastermind.
* Awww, so Kaito really is dead, what a downer. So now we're going to argue over whether the blackened is Kokichi or Maki?
* So far it's not the weirdest a trial has gotten, but it has to be the one that got weird the fastest. Anyhow, that kinda narrows it down to blackened Maki, if any. Or maybe Kaito kolled himself and Kokichi is looking for a misjudgment or something I dunno. Or both Kaito and Kokichi are dead and not in that Exisal and the mastermind is doing things.
* If there's going to be a bad ending option, a good place for it would be voting time.
* If you incorrectly say that Kaito was killed in the bathroom, Maki mentions that there'd have been evidence of the corpse being dragged to the press, which there totally was.
* Man, with there being two Truth Bullets about poison, one about the crossbow and one about the arrows, it's hard to tell which one is the one you're supposed to use to convey that the culprit shot poisoned arrows from the crossbow.
* So if Kaito was shot from the outside, yeah I dunno I guess it's Maki, but not why. I gues she reeeeeaaaaally wants to get Kokichi killed?
* I wonder if a destroyed, uninhabited outer world counts as a world of thespair that a desperate individual would want to live in.
* This trial is going places. Whoever was pretending to be Kokichi was really good at pretending to be Kokichi. Perhaps because they really were Kokichi. (I guess it's not impossible it's an Alter Ego Kokichi?) Either way, Kaito really is dead.
* The thing about Himiko only giving Kaito one arrow seems like it'd have been useful to know earlier.
* There's not much of a point in fixing it now but I finally noticed that sometimes my loaded Truth Bullet changes when I click.
* I'm starting to question whether the arrows were poisoned.
* Ah, okay, they were.
* If Maki is suspect before the intermission, that indicates she's not the culprit.
* Huh, so the hangar fight wasn't that far off.
* Man did Maki's plan backfire. Kaito should've followed what he said about living on no matter what.
* No wait, this is where the other poison comes up, isn't it?
* Due to the black-screen-when-loading-trials bug I'm choosing whatever looks like a path-to-good-ending option, otherwise I'd want to see the bad ending first. I voted for Kokichi.
* How the turntables. Even after the whole mastermind thing I considered that Kokichi was pulling another well-intentioned trolling stunt, but at some point I stopped believing it.
* Miu sounds like she could've saved us all single-handedly if she hadn't decided to opt for graduating instead.
* lol Ultimate Despair Headmaster.
* So we're back to questioning the victim? Man this trial is confusing.
* Man, I got stuck at the "what's off about the murder video" Non-stop Debate, I wanted to convey that there clearly was no blood on the ground, but instead I had to agree with Keebo that it stopped briefly.
* *shrug* that camera angle seemed normal to me.
* Also after getting it right I thought maybe that was the exact time his body temperature was low enough for the press.
* Yeah, if Kaito and Kokichi switched places... *shrug*
* Normally the Closing Argument is easy, but I think this one will be actually kind of hard.
* Holy crap 13 pages, I only had 34 seconds remaining.
* We still don't know if they switched places, do we? Only that they had the chance to do so. I guess that's part of the plan?
* Wait, nevermind, the poison.
* Or maybe he did drink the antidote after all.
* Also I'm not sure Kaito should be grateful for being given the antidote that was stolen from him in the first place.
* Though there's no ambiguity that whoever is inside the Exisal is the blackened. Wouldn't that be good enough for Monokuma?
* Or Maki, I guess.
* Man why did Kaito have to reveal himself like that, I was thrilled at the Killing Game's equivalent of a glitch.
* Hmmm, at some point I thought there were other people left on earth and Kokichi seems to agree. Oh wait he probably lied about that, right.
* Even until the end Kaito, Luminary of the Stars, is keeping his stubborn coolness.
* I expected the first 20 or so seconds of that not-punishment.
* This game seems to want to make me believe that the characters are being revived for the purpose of repeating the killing game. Nah.
* So the mastermind looks like Junko from behind.
* Maybe I should exercise, too.
* Keebo's(newfound?) superpowers look like they'd have come in handy during the battle that didn't happen.
Maaaan that was so cool. My brain hurts.
Also I'm probably a bit too easily amused over the fact that Kokichi wrote a guidebook on how to pretend to be him.
* Kid Makoto doesn't look much like Makoto. And he must've had a rough childhood if he went to a school of generic gray culprits.
* "Goodbye Danganronpa" aww.
* I don't quite understand this friendship bond thing except that I'm on some sort of timer based on investigating objects.
* Finally, the Ultimate Supreme Leader's Lab.
* Despite being a background element, they did put a fair chunk of effort in the Keebo vs. Exisal fight.
* The characters are much less interested in Rantaro's wax doll at Kokichi's room than I am.
* As for the Ultimate Creepy Lab, I thought that the vault's password would be a character's signs, but while one can see their birthdays on their report cards, I don't think you can figure out their year of birth.
* I figured with Himiko's first hint and the written message that Gemini was one of the signs. I tried to guess that combined with a bunch of animals but I got impatient.
* If I were two years younger my signs would've been the answer.
* I wonder how this puzzle works in Japanese.
* So that's what the Rantaro cutscene was about, sounds obvious in hindsight.
* You know how I wrote that Rantaro was talking to the first person POV character? At first I had written that he was speaking to the "camera" but I rewrote it to make it less ambiguous. I meant a metaphorical camera but if I hadn't rewritten it I would've been accidentally right.
* I guess "Ultimate Killing Game Connaisseur" wasn't that far off.
* So Rantaro is a killing game survivor and he's participating again. Each killing game is supposed to have two survivors. Is the other survivor also participating?
* Alright, Kaede is Fuyuhiko's (adoptive) sister's twin sister, I've been waiting since forever to do something with the notion that they're similar and now I can.
* But now I don't know what to do with my ideas that Maki is a long-haired less naïve Mukuro, Miu looks like with a different hairstyle she could resemble Junko and behaves like her uncouth personality, Tsumugi is a less-delusional female Hifumi and the obvious one that Shuichi and Kyouko share their ultimate talent.
* Oh right, the Monokuma Door opens with a keycard. Maybe that's the keycard Kokichi ran away with?
* My time ran out in the middle of investigating the Secret Room. I completely ignored the timer and was wondering why there'd be an investigation with a mechanic that discourages investigating. Though I wanted to see what'd happen if time ran out and there doesn't seem to be adverse effects so no biggie.
* Hmmm... if I click on the curtain, will I find out who the mastermind is? (and if I do and see Junko then it's an imposter).
* With only 7 Truth Bullets there's no way this investigation is close to over, I'll click anyways.
* Yah, no big reveal yet.
* Hmmm... pink fiber? It's really inconvenient that report cards don't show dead characters in colour.
* Shuichi is confident that he's got this. Not me tho.
* I hope Himiko is fine, ever since the third class trial I especially wanted her to make it out alive.
* It took me ages to figure out that I was supposed to break stuff at the classroom.
* I wonder if Kaede's skirt pentagram thing counts as a fiber.
* Gosh pausing consumes time, who thought that was a good idea.
* Oh, Himiko's fine.
* Alright, if Flashback Light memories can be fabricated, that changes several things, the most obvious are:
** It's not a given that the world has been destroyed by meteorites.
** I didn't think it was a given that we're a significant amount of time into the future, but now it seems very unlikely.
** It's almost certain that there are lots of humans around watching the Killing School Semester, just like in DR1.
** The fact that this is a students' second killing game despite there being no other possible participants for a different game no longer needs an explanation.
* I don't know why the game would throw away so much of its world building just like that, but here we are.
* Hah, I knew they were spy bugs. Though it didn't occur to me that they served the same pufpose as the monocams.
* Hmm... if the purple fiber were a thread, I'd think it'd be called thread and not fiber.
* The thing about the girl's bathroom seems too convenient for the mastermind to be a red herring. Though if I were the mastermind I'd seriously consider having one too in the boy's room (and require a key card or something for it).
* What trips me when thinking about the mastermind's identity is that I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be looking for, in DR1 I hadn't realized I was supposed to figure out which of the students wasn't really dead and took it for granted that the mastermind could fake it out, and in DR2 the virus' "identity" didn't register to me as a mystery to solve (I thought the "final boss" would be the one who uploaded the virus, and wouldn't have thought twice about it if Monokuma didn't have a true form or anything).
* With that in mind, I'm tentatively thinking that if the mastermind is one of the remaining students then it's Tsumugi, and if they're a "dead" student then it's Kaede. If it's not an Ultimate Academy Student then I 'unno.
* Tsumugi is one of the characters I maxed relationships with (the other is Maki), I checked the report card but saw nothing that looked like it'd help.
* I didn't need convincing to know that the mastermind is a girl, but given that there's still dust on the door's card reader I guess that's even more reasons to think of it.
* Checking the movie gallery, apparently Kaede's pentagram thing is a pattern drawn on her skirt, not something over it, and it's black anyways. I wanted to think she was the mastermind because that allows for her bashing Rantaro's head with the shot put ball rather than the ridiculous book ramp thing. Though I don't remember the case well enough to know if that'd be possible.
* I've been wondering for a long while if "Remnants of Despair" is a specific term for the DR2 school trip characters or the post-Junko despair agents in general. Given the Kokichi thing and memories, the characters believe it's the latter but if their memories aren't reliable, I'm reconsidering it. Maybe that's the inconsistency Shuichi was talking about? I'll have to recheck.
* OH OH OH I REMEMBER! She was only cleared of suspicion for Rantaro's murder because she was at the bathroom, something that we now know is the opposite of an alibi! There's probably some stuff about Kaede's stupid plan failing to kill Rantaro but really, the important thing is that she's the only one with access to the Hidden Room in order to take away Rantaro's Survivor's Perk tablet. The mastermind behind the Killing School Semester is none other than Tsumugi Shirogane, the Ultimate Cosplayer.
* Well, I remember there was some stuff about cosplaying and cospox that I can't quite remember. Good thing I have this thread.
* And of course, it had to be Tsumugi the one who mentioned that the Killing School Life's mastermind had her sister involved.
* I checked and the Ultimate Little Sister looks even more like Kaede than I remembered. I wonder if one of the characters knows/remembers about her.
* Hmmm... maybe Tsumugi wasn't supposed to kill anyone and was counting on Kaede making use of the First Blood perk to get away from a trial and having the circumstances of the murder better understood, but there was a trial and she was forced to either end the killing game abruptly with a graduation, or make it a fraud, thus Kaede accidentally sabotaged the killing game. Of course. Of course she could've forced Kaede to take the perk... but maybe she thought it'd be more interesting that way?
* To further support that, the previous game ended with two spotless.
* I wonder if there's anything to the color of the fiber on the ball.
* Man I'm more confident about this than I've been about every other mystery in the series, I'm already picturing the Closing Argument. I'll get a lot of egg on my face if it's not but I can't imagine anything else, and I really like it if that's how it is.
* The first case was still dumb tho.
* Anyhows, there are probably more mysteries to uncover. I still don't know the inconsistency in the book and character accounts of the history of Hope's Peak Academy, or what to make of the requirement to reach Motherkuma to get Monokuma spares. There may be other questions that I haven't thought of.
* Shuichi acted like the inconsistency that bothered him regarding the book and their memories seem to be that they remember Hope's Peak Academy being reopened. The obvious way to reconcile them is thar the book was written before that, but maybe that's really the answer?
* I do rememer Tsumugi doing the "hahah I'm despaired" thing once.
* It's obviously too late to check, but I bet that the first case involved Monokuma lying a lot about the nature of the Hidden door. I do remember it was the Monokubs who had the photos revealed, or whatever was the right term.
* That said, if push comes to shove and I have to prove that the blackened was Tsumugi and not Kaede, I wouldn't know how to go about it other than Tsumugi being in a better position to do so. The ball with the (bloodstained?) fiber doesn't obviously point one way or the other.
* Also I've been wondering if Tsumugi could may have a secret identity, like robot Junko or something, but no luck.
* I thought there could be something to the desks piled up at the classroom as if done to reach the ceiling (under the Ultimate Assassin's lab), but nothing. Also dunno what to make of the reset-on-door-opened beyond the obvious fact that it might be a security system.
* I wonder if Junko is the one who got Tsumugi ino cosplaying, per the Free Time event. After all, cosplaying and fashion are literally indistinguishable.
* Alright, enough thinking, hint time: Hmmm... cosplaying would be a good ability to have in a killing game... maybe? The Report Card does say she's hard to notice. Though I suppose the mastermind perks should count as special powers.
When reading that I remembered you said this part: That can't be right cuz the answer is obviously Tsumugi... maybe? Okay, I'm having doubts now.
The only Ultimate Academy students with clearly useful Ultimate talents are Maki, Kirumi and Keebo if the upgrades count or Shuichi but ofc not. From other characters the clear winner is Izuru, though Nagito, the Ultimate Imposter and probably others have their advantages too if they aren't in a vegetative state. I know the Ultimate Little Sister can convince people to do whatever (or was that just Fuyuhiko?), but no.
I still think it's just plain Tsumugi.
* Anyhows, trial. Alright, let's uncover the secrets of the Ultimate Academy, unmask the mastermind and put an end to the Killing School Semester.
The time has come for the killing game to end.
Reminds me of this.
Normal stuff:
I think saying this to either cosplay people or fashion people would cause a major fit.
* Well, that was quick, Shuichi readily agrees with me that the first case was a farce.
* Gosh why can't the Monokubs just disappear.
* Oooh, right, the backpack clothes, I wondered if that could've had something to do with the case when I reread my post back then but didn't think of anything.
* So the fiber was not a thread from Tsumugi's sewing kit.
* tbf going from murder to attempted murder is not much of an improvement.
* Tsumugi shouldn't have mentioned the thing about going to the bathroom. Alright, this is the moment of truth. Though I did forget some students had no alibis.
* Monokuma is panicking...
* I completely missed what the characters were trying to do when they told Motherkuma to make spare Monokumas. Though being the Ultimate Cosplayer, shouldn't she be able to mimick some other voice?
* Closing Argument! Monokuma does feel confident, but I figure this would be a "you found me out but it doesn't matter" thing. The only way Tsumugi is not the mastermind is if "the mastermind" means something besides the one controlling all this killing game stuff. That said, she did behave like she and Monokuma are on different sides just now. We'll see...
* As trite as that'd be, I don't think I can refute the "Junko is controlling things from the outside yet again" argument.
* The fact that there's someone who looks like Junko there is proof that the mastermind is not someone who looks like Junko outside disguises.
* Hmmm... well, I mean, it's not really false to say that Junko caused everything.
* The characters are nitpicky about their own memories.
* I don't remember remembering the Academy taking applications. Maybe I just assumed they were scouted?
* So if the students aren't from Hope's Peak Academy.. maybe they aren't Ultimates? I did notice the characters were less skilled than in other games but I didn't think much bout it. Is that the thing about the discrepancy in Ultimate talents vs. the mastermind? Miu was genuinelly good at inventing tho.
* That's basically stating that their entire lives are false memories, so probably not.
* This is a bit roo much fourth-wall breaking for my comfort.
* This is this game's big reveal, isn't it?
* If we're back to the thing about the killing game being a show, we should also go back to the fact that it's a farce.
* Ahhh, so that's what the V is for.
* I understood those references.
* The characters would do well in remembering that all this is based on the assumption that cospox is real.
* So the characters are going to, like, disbelieve, or...
* It took me a while to do the Mass Panic Debate where you have to shoot all these "despair"s with Hope. For technical reasons I can't shoot fast enough consistently enough so it took several times with no way to change to more fitting skills.
* Shuichi is on to something.
* Though even then he agrees too easily that he's fictional just because his memories are.
* I wonder what it means when audience!me cheers for Shuichi when he says he'll fight off the audience.
* I wonder if the characters can just walk away.
* I chose not to vote. I know this game has more than one ending and I think I got the good(?) one.
* Goodbye Danganronpa.
* Or not. Maaaan I really should be asleep, not playing this on a weekend wasn't the best of ideas.
* I lost track of when they became fictional characters in-universe.
* Alright, bye game.
THE END V3
Yeah, my willing suspension of disbelief got hit too hard.
I should be, like, super asleep right now, I'll post stuff laters.
I can't tell if you got the ending or stopped at the fake ending.
Anyhows, last night I'd have posted that I disliked the ending (in case it wasn't clear), but right now I'm more ambivalent about it. I don't think I'll get over how eagerly the characters are to treat themselves as fictional despite all the good in-universe reasons not to that they themselves point out, but perhaps after the whiplash is over, with some thinking about what to take from it and a good sleep, I may appreciate it some more. Indeed I just watched the epilogue so as to link it and it seems less conflicting with the trial than I remembered.
I'll post some more about it later.
Edit: I'm also definitely going to make use of the truth-fiction extreme open-endedness to believe it has no bearing on the rest of the series. Yeah I was wondering about that, I thought the info about the hidden passageway was so damning (provided one remembers Tsumugi's alibi) that I thought I could be missing something that cleared her of suspicion.
FWIW ever since the cospox event I had cosplaying in the back of my mind as something that'd come up during a murder, so eventually I remembered at the right time why she needed a special alibi for the first case and where it was. It helps that I (incorrectly) suspected her over the fiber.
Also despite how much I liked the idea of Kaede's refusal to take the First Blood perk and getting executed over it resulting in accidentally sabotaging the game, apparently that didn't happen.
Also I wonder what people who didn't notice the resemblance between Kaede and Fuyuhiko's sister thought about her being a red herring, I don't think I'd have found Shuichi's explanation convincing on why she couldn't be involved.
Anyhows, it's refreshing being able to look up things without having to worry about getting spoiled.
Friendship fragments:
5: Tsumugi, Maki.
3: Korekiyo.
2: Himiko.
1: Angie, Kirumi, K1-B0, Kaito.
For Kaede: Ryoma, Kaito, Tsumugi and Himiko, one fragment each.
I thought it wouldn't bother me but I can't do Free Time events from the side game without seeing an invisible sign above the characters that reads "probably an artificial interaction do not care". I have a hard time relating them more to what they say or do rather than to in-universe fiction.
Edit: I'll probably start caring again at some point tho. For the longest time I thought that by the time of that post you had forgotten that that was already in DR1, but now I see what you meant. Was it Tenko?
Anyways... I still don't know how to feel about the plot of DRV3's final moments. On one hand, it was extremely innovative. On the other, I'm yet to figure out some fragments to this day re:
I'll always guess that everything in this universe did happen, and DR1 and 2 happened possibly generations upon generations before V3. In fact, the DR"1" that is counted in DRV3 is probably not the DR1 that we played.
I also think it's accurate that the world of DRV3 has fallen to dystopia at the point of DRV3, rather than like... during DRV2 or DRV1. Something genuinely bad happened there that destroyed the world.
But this stuff will never be confirmed, because this game was basically the team's way of saying "We don't want to make Danganronpa anymore please leave us alone" in what was essentially a really mean-spirited way.
I mean, in all honesty, I just thought it would be silly if it was her, and I was right, and it was even worse because she had no last-minute backstory to justify said silliness like Korekiyo did. In fact, her backstory made things worse.
I think it's a similar problem as in DR2, where these characters have created a sense of hope of their own, but they easily give it up in favor of the hope provided to them by the DR1 characters just because a twist has shaken their resolve.
Huh, I never noticed that before.
Tsumugi was a Remnant of Despair and her "cosplaycat crime" was her spin on the Killing School Life to bring despair to the world (IIRC at one point she spoke favourably of despair outside her Junko cosplay, and she has a fascination with Junko whereas you'd expect Junko to be just one character out of many). The characters are also symbols of hope but the plan includes having them cast doubt on their memories, including their whole lives if necessary. Maybe DRV3 does take ages into the future and there's probably been 52 earlier seasons, including the reenactments of DR1 and 2, and the audience is real and so are their reactions (reminder that according to DR2 normal people were fascinated watching atrocities on TV). The world fell back to the situation it was at the time of DR1 (thought probably not due to meteorites or anything). The element of hope is incorporated into the show as another "dashed hopes cause despair" element, where you're enticed to cheer up for some kids, only some of which will survive a game that will repeat over and over, and the trial is what would've happened if DR1's killing game weren't the first one (which until the end I had assumed it wasn't) and during the final trial Makoto et al had instead told the audience to stop watching, that they wouldn't be playing anything anymore, and they complied.
Also cospox is fake.
I'll have to think of something to explain the cold sleep room.
I think think the pattern is that I want to interpret the game the least meta way I can.
Speaking of which, I had noticed that the game had much less self-references than DR1 and especially DR2, I guess most of it was in store for that moment. Oh yeah, that's true.
I've tried not to think about motives when thinking things out, ultimately I don't know everything about everyone so a last-minute backstory or other reveal can explain why they did what they did. And after all, almost never do the characters manage to guess motivations right. What didn't you notice before? You may have accidentally deleted a block of text. Oh yeah, I thought it awkward that their newfound sense of purpose was indistinguishable from complying with the hope side, though tbh I don't know how I'd have pulled off something better.
I was thinking more along the lines of how the DR1 cast spend a lot of time agreeing with Junko on how everything is hopeless if not downright arguing in her favour rather than against her (there's things like how not everyone is hopeless if a bunch of people gave their lives trying to rescue them), and even by the end they don't doubt it, they just decide to keep on despite it.
Oh no, I mean the parallels between DR2 and DRV3.
I mean it's entirely possible that the cold sleep room was real, and that the whole plan was real, but it was quickly infiltrated. However, Tsumugi probably isn't reliable re:the condition of the outside world so this is certainly not the last vestige of humanity.
I guess the point, in DR1 at least was that believing, but only very slightly, is enough.
OTOH maybe it was meant to be found by them at a later point? I guess it's just as the game said: it's impossible to know things. That's fair, it just bugged me that the game went with that kind of hope when there's real hope to be found.
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Free game alert - Kingdom Come: Deliverance on Epic.
I just realized the fifth case involves the game's Kyouko in some important way (Kyouko got framed, Chiaki got blackened, Maki thinks she's blackened).
It just occurred to me that any theory involving Danganronpa going on for a long time is going to have trouble explaining why DRV3 has a character who looks exactly like one from the DR2 we saw. Cold sleep?
However I may feel towards that final twist, I can't deny it's given me a lot to think of.
When I was halfway through DRV3 I thought I'd want to give a rest to playing for a while, but I'm already getting an itch to continue.
Now, I'm not sure what to play next. I checked 999 but room escape games aren't my thing. Now, people play Danganronpa because of the characters, the murder mysteries, the setting's mystery, the thrill and maybe more. Obviously these things go hand in hand but in my case the clear winners are the murder mysteries, a couple months ago I had no idea I'd like playable crime investigations so much but here I am, as such the recommendations for me are the Ace Attorney series, Persona 4 and 5 and a couple games called Exile Election and Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective. Despite how reusable the killing game concept is, AFAIK Exile Election is the only one to rip it off, or so I read. Also the fangame and its sequel. I'll try watching Let's Plays of these.
I'll also watch the non-DR1 animus. wings do you know if they contain spoilers for, I dunno, Ultra Despair Girls or something? I'll probably watch anyways, but...
Regardless, this will probably be my last post on the matter or close to it, you people can have the thread back, not that you were doing anything good with it.
Oh now I feel way better about never getting around to them. I thought they were DR-esque visual novels.
Persona games are more unforgiving JRPGs than visual novels though.
I've only ever heard of the latter, but I know the Nintendo DS had a lot of standard detective fare like Hotel Dusk: Room 215.
I know that they mainly built on the canon surrounding DR2, since one is a prequel to it and the other is a sequel.
Related:
I think Ultra Despair Girls is more a DR1 spinoff, with a lot of it's own story, so I doubt it contains many DR2 spoilers.
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So, I picked up Empire Earth, on GOG. IIRC, I heard that this game was actually developed by some people from the Age of Empires devteam.
The problem was, however, that the game was only said to be compatible with up to Windows 7. I have a Windows 8 computer. Sure enough, the game didn't work. When I looked up what to do about this, various patches were suggested by people on the internet, but none of them made the game work.
Fast forward a few years, and at some point the fine folks at GOG and/or the Empire Earth devteam actually fixed up this game to work on Windows 8 and Windows 10. So, I just now reinstalled it and can confirm that it works smoothly.
(The only bug I've found so far, after playing the first tutorial scenario, is that the menus remain 4:3 in their resolution ratio and on a 16:9 screen this is stretched. However, the game setting for screen resolution are applied correctly once the gameplay actually starts.)
(In the meantime, Age of Empires II did get released on Steam. That's probably the best-received one among the three Age of Empires games. But I still haven't bought it. And I'm definitely not buying it on Steam now that Steam's game library interface has gone down the crapper.)
TL;DR - Empire Earth now works on Win8 and Win10, in its GOG version.
There's also the fangames/web series, but, ummm... I don't want to crap on fans' efforts but I'm not in a hurry to play/watch them. Maybe all those years on Touhou have spoiled me? Disclaimer: I'm basing that on what I watched, that is, the first hour or so of the first game, if that's not a good way of describing the rest of the series I wouldn't know. I lied, I watched Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School so here's another togglebox:
* I see my dear DR2 characters are back to being homicidal maniacs. No probs we're still cool.
* I can't tell the difference between Hajime and older Makoto.
* I see I was onto something when I said there probably was a real-life Chiaki.
* The blood is unrealistically red and not pink enough.
* Oooh, I've sometimes wondered what a show version of Wolfgame would be like.
* I wonder where the Super High School Level Neurobiologist is.
* I see Makoto's assurances are as deadly as ever. It's a bummer for a killing game survivor to get offed after all that.
* Anime!Natsuki doesn't resemble Kaede all that much actually. Also turns out the piano/music room is a coincidence in-universe.
* I see what I said about getting into an elite school by being a great little sister was too amusing to be true.
* Oh, Hina's fine.
* I guess this isn't all that much like Wolfgame after all.
* If this were a normal mystery fiction thing I'd guess the thing about Gekkogahara being an android controlled by this mastermindlike person is proof that she's not the attacker, but maybe the obvious answer is true?
* ngl the whole hope vs. despair thing sounds dumb when it's not just a background thing, but the whole point.
* I gotta wonder what the point of the UDG part was. Also I get the feeling I got spoiled hard.
* I just realized this Chiaki hasn't been sleepy yet.
* It didn't take long for the student council to kill each other. You'd have thought at some point one of them would retake the idea of attacking one of the Ultimate Despairs. Also Mukuro sings nicely.
* Awwww, Kyouko is gone. Also former Super High School Level Scout dude's sacrifice turned out to be in vain.
* After so long, here's the part that I saw ages ago that spoiled me of several things. Poor Chiakis.
* Chiaki is physically quite resilient. OTOH the rest of class 77 seems to fall into despair surprisingly easily.
* I thought the monitor distance thing was kind of a reach, but makes sense in hindsight. Though since they can coordinate now they should've make everybody unable to kill anybody imo. At any rate they should've tied Makoto better.
* Since there's no mastermind watching over them all I wonder how the bangles determine that the player is using a forbidden action.
* Would I be correct in presuming including an AI of the series' waifu in the Neo World Program trip was Izuru's idea?
* Oh, that was correct, though it turns out it was everyone's idea/thoughts.
* I found the hope arc kind of tacky with the class 77 roll call and the deus ex machina about Kyouko surviving, but I still, I really liked it.
* I wonder how each Chiaki would react if they were to meet each other.
I thought about posting this in the anime thread but then I didn't. I liked zetsubou-hen much more than mirai-hen, maybe it's because I like the less action-paced stuff more? Though I did end up warming up to it near the end.
Scandalous.
Huh, I wonder about that...
Yeah I always find death games like that weird.
Then again, when the alternative is Ousama Game...
I don't think I've ever been really really into action-packed stuff but nowadays I feel like my aversion to shows where the main draw is action is getting extreme.