Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
If you have an email ending in @hotmail.com, @live.com or @outlook.com (or any other Microsoft-related domain), please consider changing it to another email provider; Microsoft decided to instantly block the server's IP, so emails can't be sent to these addresses.
If you use an @yahoo.com email or any related Yahoo services, they have blocked us also due to "user complaints"
-UE
If you use an @yahoo.com email or any related Yahoo services, they have blocked us also due to "user complaints"
-UE
Comments
Ultra Despair Girls is a shooter, and not even I've played it (though I guess I should at least try sometime).
Ah, yeah, I did.
I did mean the Junko hand thing. I mean, in the simulation Nagito remembers everything being normal but I'd assume something like that would slip out of his subconcious somehow.
Anyways, DRV3 is suuuuuuuper long, so you should at least be ready for that.
Also, be very ready for a super out of left field moment.
In all honesty, I'd recommend playing DRV3 right after DR2. Even if it is just so I can live vicariously through your gameplay.
Also like I (think I?) said, in DR2 the characters were often still relevant even after dying, even if only by the remaining survivors reminiscing about them, unlike in DR1 were it wasn't often that a character would be brought up beyond the beginning of the chapter after the one they died in.
Also I had a much easier time figuring out how to make the main character say what I want him to say during Nonstop Debates, also whether I knew the answer or not it more often felt like there was only one, clearly better choice. Not counting the swimsuit one, that is.
* It occurs to me that I haven't learned yet who was controlling Monokuma during DR1's hook at the end.
* Also none of the chapter names were misleading. I stopped thinking about chapter names after "100-Yard Dash of the Junk Food Junkie" turned out to not be about Hina, but by relating their names to their events one can figure when Nekomaru and Nagito would die.
* Other than popularity, I don't think the fact that Junko was the Ultimate Fashionista has come up yet.
* I'd have to reread that part but I gotta wonder if the actual reason Nagito wanted a mistrial with only the traitor surviving was because he (somehow) figured out about the virus' graduation plan and knew that every non-Observer dying would disrupt that.
* Also the reluctance the DR2 characters had about the shutdown due lo the prospect of losing their memories would've been diminished simply by the DR1 characters agreeing to tell them about it afterwards (or better yet, showing them footage if it exists). Not quite the same thing as first hand memories but perhaps they'd have been less averse to the idea if someone had brought that up.
I also began reading Danganronpa IF, though I think I'll take it slowly while also playing whatever.
* I wonder if I'll find out why the Despair Sisters have different surnames. Stepsisters maybe?
* Ooooh, the guy who got executed as soon as DR1 started was the headmaster. At first I thought he was the last student (Ultimate Astronaut or something) executed from a previous killing game, and after learning that there had been no previous killing games I just dismissed it as simpky someone she felt like killing.
The School/Island mode gets old very quickly, I think I'll rush maxing out the Report Card and then move on, I'll read the trip dialogue on Youtube, though I'm probably not missing much. Reminder to self: read the DR1 school trip dialogue that I haven't read yet on YouTube.
I don't think I'll wait much before playing DRV3. In addition to what one would expect from a new game I'm looking forward to be able to look things up without having to worry about spoilers.
I do feel kind of bummed that there's only one game left, the mysteries are dwindling. Perhaps I should start looking for other series to get into?
Presumably some early version of the Virtual Junko software?
I think this has to do with her constant image-shifts when she's in full swing crazy. "Imechen" is a much bigger deal in Japanese teen girl magazines like Non-no and popteen! than their American equivalents. In-house models have to be templates to which any style can be applied.
I still think it was that without somebody like Junko to guide him he just kind of ran towards his own brand of insanity.
Good point.
I don't think I'll wait much before playing DRV3.
Yay!
Perhaps I should start looking for other series to get into?
People like the Nonary Games, but I haven't played them as they don't star high school students and the overhype rubs me the wrong way as a hipster.
By the way, here are my thoughts on DR2 from right after I played it.
This, by the way, was extremely incorrect, but I think my points can stand by themselves regardless.
At first I did find it kind of tacky that it'd all end with a long cameo to the previous game, but as things unfolded and watching the school trip survivors weighting in which one of their options is less terrible it made sense to me that the game would emphasize the conflict by having the DR1 characters be there to participate and serve as counterweight to Alter Ego Junko.
Though I did find it kind of tacky too that what you'd have expected to be a personal thing between the characters turned out to be a matter of saving the world (or rather, not destroying it).
As for the Izuru thing, I interpreted more to follow the theme of memories defining who you are, but now that you mention it yeah, it's probably too Hajime-centric. She does mention a couple times after Nekomaru's almost-death that she should be less impulsively aggressive, though you're still right, words aside AFAIK this doesn't come up again after that. Ahhh, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I'm probably overthinking it, it just seemed too convenient.
In a less reachy version of the same theory, perhaps he found out that the non-traitor characters were Remnants of Despair? He did have contempt for the other characters after going through the Final Dead Room, not just Hajime. At some point I thought it was because of learning about Makoto, but I don't find that too convincing either.
Wait, no, after writing that I realized it doesn't make sense for him to turn arrogant after learning that he was a Remnant of Despair.
At any rate I wonder if the virus couldn't have simply restored their memories, as it did with Mikan, and then have them graduate. There could be safeguards against graduating like that but I don't think it was ever mentioned.
I wonder how close other people get when solving cases. The only ones I'd say I got somewhat close are DR2Ch1 and DR2Ch4, with DR1Ch3 and DR2Ch5 being the ones I got kinda half-right, the others being mostly misses.
lolno, huge download ahead, I didn't plan for this and it's going to take me a while. Wirth's Law rears its ugly head again. But I do have a bit to say already:
* So that's the one who looks like Fuyuhiko's sister. I can't help but remember that his sister was killed in the music room close to a piano. If there's ever a plot point about some people being similar to other people I know where to look.
* In the ~2 minutes it took me to find this avatar I learned that "some version" of Chiaki is in this game. I was hoping she'd be among the first characters you meet so that that wouldn't have been a spoiler, but it's looking like that's going to be the case.
* Knowing that she's here I guess that's another chance for the video about her... execution? being canon, and from there guess that another incarnation of Junko (at least in terms of appearances) is involved. I really shouldn't have watched that video, did I?
On non-Danganronpa matters, the other day I learned about Entombed, an 80s game remarkable for having a random (solvable) maze creator based on an algorithm that nobody knows why it works or how the developer came up with it except that he did it while drunk, and is the subject of serious academic research. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190919-the-maze-puzzle-hidden-within-an-early-video-game?referer=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
Don't worry too much, it's very brief and somewhat irrelevant.
I wouldn't worry about that.
Also I like that you're still early enough for this to seem like... uh... yeah, can't say more without spoilers.
I watched some of the Dangan Island trip endings, and yeah, they did put more effort into these than they did on the Dangan School ones, they're more than a rehash of game/Report Card events.
As for Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony...
* The intro was less about this game and more about the rest of the series, including all the stuff I haven't seen/played.
* I've never managed to wake from a dream by pinching myself.
* I took the time to read the locker names during the robot escape sequence, I'm guessing one of the characters is a robot?
* I see the characters designs are more oriented towards a school setting.
* Not anymore they aren't.
* As soon as the option to save came up I saved and quit to do something to make my graphics card not go into overdrive and when I loaded back, I wasn't sure if the scene at the classroom was supposed to happen again or if the game loaded to the very beginning.
* Hell yeah I can pass text by pressing Enter!
* Man that waterfall at the Shrine of Judgment makes my GPU melt.
* So there really was an Ultimate Astronaut after all.
* Kokichi's "downtrodden" sprite's face looks like a copy-paste of Mikan's.
* Awww, I'll miss (Japanese) Monokuma's Doraemon voice.
* Alright, it's called Killing School Semester this time around.
* Ahhh, so here's the actual intro.
Videos play slowly for me, visually it's not too bad but the audio goes off-sync. Though if it's like the previous games there usually isn't much to hear besides the music.
Perhaps I should do something about my computer?
And I see what you said about game length, it took me about as much to go through the prologue as it would've taken me to go through a Daily Life section.
Also I'm halfway through a full classroom:
* Ultimate Environmentalist - Greta Gutenberg
* Ultimate Nuclear Physicist - Taylor Wilson
* Ultimate Pop Singer - Justin Bieber
* Ultimate Chess Player - Magnus Carlsen
* Ultimate Actor - Macaulay Culkin
* Ultimate Meme - Dam Son
* Ultimate Mathematician - Évariste Galois
* Ultimate Saintly Warrior - Joan of Arc
What a weird coincidence.
Thunberg?
She... would make a really good Danganronpa character. A lot of these would.
* Ahh, so the game officially ends when only two students remain.
* Avaritia, Luxu[r]ia, there's a 78% chance the remaining deadly sins will come up.
* I failed so badly at the escape-the-tunnel minigame, I guess it's kind of clever hiding behind awkward controls the fact that you're supposed to fail, though I still feel with some practice it should be possible to reach something.
* Somehow it's not a reach that if there's a secret black-and-white door that means there's a traitor.
* I see this game wants me to start speculating on who's the mastermibd this early. Maki, maybe?
* I wonder if I should think something about the fact that some of these presents look like they'd fit for Kaede.
* Also I'm guessing "something good might happen if you keep it" means they're part of an event.
* And I'm glad not having to get past the first trial to have enough monocoins to not have to worry about what presents I earn.
* Hah, I got my first hidden Monokuma, the one on s table in the hallway.
* So Rantaro is casualty #1, I did not expect the most mysterious character to die this early (I expected Angie). Nonetheless I bet this murder is not the last we hear of him.
* I already thought it was odd not to keep up with the "cameras are watching you" theme but if Monokuma [edit: acts as if he] doesn't know who the blackened is, perhaps he really can't see everything?
* Also, I thought he was going to be this game's secondary Kyouko, like Byakuya and Nagito.
* Ryoma is the obvious suspect, but I guess he wasn't among the 7 who went down to the basement. I'm excluding something silly like him being small enough to hide within the air vent.
* Reminder ro self to look up what's up with the URLs on the corkboard.
* When Tsumugi asked for Kaede's clothes I thought the spares she kept in her backpack would come up, but no.
* I presume the black-and-white door is opened with a Monopad.
* Another obvious suspect is Gonta, who could've thrown the shot put from within the A/V room.
* Of course, Kaito and Tenko could've done the same but they have each other as alibis, and I doubt there's cooperation.
* Wasn't the back sliding door closed? That kinda changes things when it comes to throwing the shot put. Perhaps one can open/close it from the A/V room by using the screen pole?
* I was going to learn skills before the trial but there's lots of new minigame names so I can't tell what the skills actually do. Regardless I don't think I'll take Delusion so have more of a reason to come up with answers besides trial and error.
I fell asleep without coming up with something so eh... I think I'll just post.
I'm pretty sure it's meant to be impossible.
There is!
... I've just forgotten what.
I always also thought so but I think it's a right-place right-time right-idea type deal that's hard to see coming.
I think this game is generous with coins but also had lots of impossible requests with them for some specific events that I can't mention yet.
I think he was much too cocky for that, in a genuinely cocky way, rather than a "I'm a rich kid so it's expected" or "I'm literally crazy!" way.
You will literally never guess who it is.
Ever.
* I find the Ultimate Academy to be much more pleasant to navigate than Hope's Peak Academy or Jabberwock's Island.
* I thought about the possibility of a suicide, but I can't come up with anything non-awkward for Rantaro to have the put drop on him or why. That would explain why the blackened didn't come forward, though.
* Also I didn't understand very well what is it that Kaede did with the books atop the bookshelf to make it hard to get through the air vent. If anything, it seems easier if they aren't piled up haphazardly.
* I think Tsumugi can get past her cospox limitation by having someone else cosplay instead. Also I wouldn't have thought about cosplaying as other students if the game hadn't brought it up, without hints it felt like something not even the Ultimate Cosplayer should be able to do. Also now I know that if it comes up that we can see everything about a character except skin, it's probably her.
* Speaking of which, there are lots of characters that don't show much skin. I wonder if K1-B0's surface looks like skin in-universe.
* I also thought Miu could've created a put-dropping drone, but I dunno how to work it out from there, also covertly controlling a drone in the presence of 2-3 other students looks like something that shouldn't be easy.
* Also the feature about Truth Bullets containing several pictures (e.g. the photos) is really handy.
* I'm tempted to blame Kokichi simply because he's the one I know the least about regarding where he was and why. Yah, but, I mean, I failed spectacularly badly.
Time for a rundown.
* At first I found Shuichi suspicious, but the order of events and camera suggests otherwise.
* Kirumi and Kiyo at the dining hall support each other's alibis. Assuming no drone, Miu too.
* Maki, Angie and Himiko at the game room support each other's alibis.
* Kaito and Tenko at the game room then basement hallway support each other's alibis, and Kaito mentioned that if there had been anyone else there, he would've noticed.
* Kokichi, Ruoma, Tsumugi and K1-B0 have no alibi, but presumably they can't get to the library in time without Kaede or Shuichi noticing them.
* I see no reason not to believe Gonta did it or that it wasn't a suicide.
* Assuming no cooperation or cosplaying that kinda narrows it down to these two.
* Allowing for cooperation, but no cosplaying, that extends to having Kaito and Tenko as suspects. Both seem strong enough to throw the put from the hallway.
* Speaking of which Leon got caught because he was the Ultimate Baseball Star but if the put really was thrown, that seems even more difficult than the baseball incinerator thing. Ultimate Tennis Pro?
* Assuming cosplaying... that doesn't seem to help, just replace "X did it" with "Y cosplaying as X did it".
* Yeah, I'm not going to get this one right. Either suicide or Gonta.
* Alright. Let's do it.
Finally managed to get this working without overworking my GPU.
Speaking of something related, sometimes I get the impression that I've been doing a disservice to my 3D skills by not being picky about graphics in video games.
* I replayed a bit of the relevant parts, it's a reach but it's not out of the question that someone could've sneaked into the basement without Kaede or Shuichi noticing. I'm not betting on it though.
* It didn't get much for Miu to turn all sheepy.
* Man I love that thing where the currently most suspected student is put on the center of the courtroom.
* Kaede and Shuichi could've simply told everyone that they didn't tell Miu what the cameras were for.
* Kirumi brought up what I thought about Gunra throwing the put, so that hypothesis is about to fall apart.
* Something I've learned is that dumb people don't murder (at least if Gundham doesn't count as dumb).
* Huh, I thought that the moving bookcase could've blocked a shot from the A/V room but it didn't occur me to check the photo.
* Rebuttal Showdowns always struct me as very forceful, I always end up finding whoever started it as super suspicious.
* I got stuck on the Rebuttal Showdown, it seems I did again the thing where I think I try something but didn't. I wonder why that happens.
* Also I see game overs are changed and now losing your influence and quitting simply ends the game, I thought it was weird that even if they had the case in the bag, convincing them you're an idiot makes them vote for you. I always thought the game should end by voting for a (non-specified) student, but simply ending is fine too.
* 30 seconds seems a lot for an interval, I assumed they had one but something shorter like 5 seconds that would've been practically the same as having them available when you need them.
* Shuichi has a long way to go before becoming the Ultimate Kyouko. Either that or he's the culprit.
* "I wanna confirm one thing with you, [main character]", I think it wouldn't be the first time this is said right before the culprit is found out.
* "Lie bullets", sounds interesting.
* I did that thing again where I incorrectly think I did the right thing. There's several ways a Truth Bullet can be a lie so it was particularly hard to notice.
* Also, Shuichi only had the receiver because Kaede insisted, she could've said so instead of lying.
* I thought it was a given that Rantaro had noticed the camera.
* Huh, the flash, that's a good observation.
* Alright, so in the select-the-character puzzle I chose Miu, Shuichi, Ryoma and Rantaro in that order before it occured to me to choose Kaede. I hope this makes sense afterwards.
* Well, this is weird. I guess I'm Shuichi now.
* This version of Hangman's Gambit is the best by virtue of going by the fastest.
* The thing about the ball rolling on the books occured to me, but I dismissed it because Kaede was keeping watch... and because it's kind of ridiculous overall.
* Rantaro being exactly at the wrong place/time, Shuichi not paying attentio to Kaede at the classroom... I think this is what TV Tropes would've called a Gambit Roulette. Nagito has nothing on her.
* I voted for Kaede, but I'm wondering what difference it makes.
* The post-vote dialogue is moving, but I was hoping for an explanation for the betrayal of first person point-of-view and my 16th highest suspect being the culprit. I accepted (or downright loved) lots of the series' crazy twists and I mispredicted a bunch of out there stuff myself, but I'm having a hard time with this one.
* As for the execution: Ouch.
* I was looking forward to playing the rest of the game as her, too.
* Also I was wrong about audio desync not mattering.
* At least Monokid is dead.
I'm dissatisfied, I hope no other trial turns out like that.
This is true but by George the place is giant. It's a nightmare to navigate right when you're going somewhere for the first time, and there are certain hallways that have insanely confusing layouts (especially the one's outside Gonta's lab).
There's a part in like, Chapter 4 or 5 which is also particularly bad. Chapter 6 has a weird part, but it's not too bad.
If you're thinking about this stuff seriously this early on you'd best prepare yourself.....
....but not in this way.
I just assume the stuff on his face is skin? Also, Japanese K1-B0 is Kakihara Tetsuya, who is my favourite seiyuu ever.
Uh yeah, a lot of stuff in DRV3 is brilliant, but there are also very big moments that were done for being done's sake that kind of just throw a kibosh in giving the team behind it any leeway.
General consensus is that everybody who has ever played this game, ever, was.
Is Monokid the red one who wouldn't stop swearing? I thought he survived much longer, because I came to hate him deeply.
In fact the whole concept of multiple Monowhatevers was a gigantic waste of time.
These were the worst.
* On a positive note, from now on I can play the rest of the series with the knowledge that no character is too important to die, or even get killed in a particularly horrific manner.
* I didn't think much of the fact that this time the main character wasn't a blank slate guy, but I guess this was why.
* Also somehow I managed to not get spoiled by that.
* I wonder if there are Report Card events for Kaede.
* Now that Shuichi has been promoted to Makoto I wonder who'll be this game's Kyoukos, none of the other characters seemed to be on the same level during that first trial.
* Regardless, this character starts super intriguing. With the mourning portrait scene, the ghost Kaede scene and the fact that apparently there are no other life forms at thr Ultimate Academy, I'm guessing there's some afterlife-like thing going on. Things are easy to get wild about once it's a given that worlds and experiences can be simulated.
* And I can't help but notice that there was no mourning portrait of Rantaro.
* Shuichi no longer believes the mastermind is one of the students, but unless I misunderstood something his logic is iffy (something about not speaking up in Kaede's favour). Nonetheless it's not like they had a good reason to believe that in the first place, I'll just guess the game is telling me it's not something worth thinking about for now. Maybe it's Junko's ghost or something.
* I wonder if a Monokub will die during each trial
* The Ultimate Magician's Laboratory is an ominous place to have in a murder mystery.
* Oh, the first time I saw it I thought the wall was a bunch of buildings in the distance. Messing with graphic settings may have helped. I thought it was nifty to have civilization so close yet so far, as they say, but I was wondering why nobody had made a point out of it.
* That was a lot of exploration. Like I said something about the Ultimate Academy makes it pleasant to navigate for me, so I like this.
After reading your latest post:
I do find the Monorangers concept interesting, but I do often wish they'd shut up and let me get on with the game. Yeah, seeing them in action they seem like a good way to get almost everyone executed. Also maybe this makes sense later but I wonder how I'm going to figure out that a lie will be useful without unreasonable amounts of foresight. Yeah, I see what you mean. For the most part I really like the game so I wouldn't want to see it ruined by these sort of things becoming common.
Also I remember seriously considering Makoto having killed Mukuro in his sleep back then so it's not like I'm averse to the idea, but when the game lies to you like that, that's kinda different.
This game had great Kyoukos.
You've guessed this so often I actually want to see it happen at least once.
Maybe I shouldn't have dissuaded you until you got to the
I Actually Put a Character Name hereeffigy chapter at least.Relatedly(ish), I feel like the game before the effigy chapter was longer than after, but the opposite is true. I guess the overall pace was just better.
Yup. I think Monotaro lasts for way longer than he should.
Now that'd have been something else!
I disliked their foul mouthed nature a lot, but I hated that they would just stop whatever was going on to do a skit that wasn't even that funny to start with.
Funny thing about this is BIG MAJOR SPOILER, best left for after the final class trial
You may want to edit out the untoggled quoted text, I think someone can figure out what we're talking about even without reading the rest.
* I don't like the changes to the Closing Argument layout, they make it hard to tell the comic panels while solving the puzzle.
* I like that the rhythm minigame involves fighting a boss version of the character, the developers seem to put a lot of effort in making the rhythm minigame look as ridiculous as possible.
* I made a (rather morbid) rundown of executions and I think only Leon had it worse than Kaede, and that's because for some reason (ultimate talent?) he's resistant to baseballs. Maybe Celeste too but it's kind of ambiguous how well cardboard fire represents actual fire.
* Also the first blackened in each game has had particularly nasty ending.
* Also I was aware about the "harmony" pun but I guess the "killing" part was just as important. Odd that they'd base the (localized) name on a single chapter, though. Maybe there's more to it?
* So far the game has been very independent from the others. I thought each game would be like that to keep the killing game mechanic as recyclable as possible but DR2 (or side material I dunno) tied a lot of the setting to the events of DR1.
* Oh damn, I gave away my Everyday Parasol (one of those "something good might happen if you keep it" items) and I think it's going to come up with Tenko at the pool.
* Either I got lucky or the MonoMono Machine cheats in your favour, I got from a ~45% repeat rate to a 80% rate in what felt like a 50% average. Regardless, it took me a while to get another Parasol.
* Or not, apparently it wasn't relevant. Whatevs, I'm one item away from having all the MonoMono Machine presents.
* I remember the Report Card event I had with Kiyo involved very specific Kaede music things, I suppose it'd have been different if I did it now.
* Oh, I see that my relationships have been reset.
* Speaking of Kiyo, I like a lot of Free Time dialogue but I find his to be enthralling, it actually makes me interested in real-life anthropology.
* Maki doesn't want to talk to me, I wonder if it's going to be a Fuyuhiko thing where something big happens to her and only then will there be events.
* I suppose every Monokuma Theater is a reference to a (horror?) movie.
* During a conversation with Miu Shuichi mentioned something about having a badge commemorating the casino's opening. I thought it could've had to do with a present but I don't see any that could be relevant.
* Or not, they actually were talking about some medals I really had as presents.
* Silly Kokichi, running from battles in RPGs makes the game harder.
* The Magic Show ready gym has too many targetable objects for it to not be very important in a murder.
* Real-life piranhas aren't very dangerous, tho.
* It's so obvious that this is a setup to make me think Himiko is about to die but in reality she survives, that I should consider her actually dying.
* Regardless, Himiko is too brave/naïve to perform a dangerous spectacle where 13 other people have a reason to have her dead.
* I didn't see that coming.
* Just the other day I was reading about escapism tricks, experience has told me that kind of knowledge won't help me with this case.
* A girl in her underwear, so I guess this is when cosplaying comes up? I can't think of anything, though.
* I'll have to check an old file but I think the pool's water level is even lower than it was before.
* I wonder if throwing someone into the pool at nighttime will cause that person to get killed by the Exisals, and if so, if that makes you the blackened.
* I'm not following the characters' logic about the person Ryoma's Kubpad video is intended for being suspicious, as far as I know only Ryoma knew who that person is.
* The way I remember it, it's okay to be around the pool at night time, only touching the water is against the rule, so moving through the cord from the Ultimate Prisoner's Lab to the gym is okay. The gym is off-limits, though.
* I think I'm wrong though, people've been talking like that's not the case.
* If the tanks at the gym and at the Ultimate Magician's Lab are the same, it seems odd that Shuichi and the others hadn't noticed the movable panel in the gym's... and now that I mention it it's obvious that it's behind the staircase.
* Since the target of Ryoma's Kubpad video is so important, the other characters can easily figure it out by revealing the targets of their Kubpads, the one missing out is the target.
* Maybe the half-naked girl was Miu?
* I thought the wire could be made to form a loop between the windows, but it's not long enough for that. It can still be done, but you need to tie it to something else. Oh yeah, conveniently Kiyo told me the length of the rope at the gym.
* Kaito mentioned pulleys, it'd be weird if a puzzle involving moving things from wires and ropes didn't involve these pulleys.
* I feel like I have a good idea of what happened at the gym; the culprit added extra piranhas to the tank and made it murkier to worsen visibility, and made sure to remove the lid above which they hid in the tank below, tied the wire and maybe rope between the windows and set Ryoma's corpse so one way or another they can cause him to drop into the piranha tank right before the timer ends
* I off-handedly thought anybody could've killed Himiko simply by gluing shut the bottom tank's escape hatch, but in a mini-eureka moment I realized it'd help to think about who might have known the details of the magic show. The chapter's name (heaven hell something) made me think of Angie but I can't see exactly how.
* When this started I thought the case would be easier, but I'll have to think about this for a while. Well, tomorrow will be another day. Nevermind, I forgot about Hifumi. Also while Hiro didn't kill anyone, it wasn't due to a lack of trying.
TIL those things are called lighting battens.
There's something wrong about how the game is registering key presses in menus, it's very inconsistent (presumably they're being polled too infrequently) and seems to be correlated to in-universe time (loading an old file makes it better). I suspect it has something to do with presents as it started to get really bad after I got a bunch of them but it doesn't happen in fullscreen so I think I'll just play in windowed mode instead.
Edit: spelling.
Oh yeah, that was bad.
Well, I remembered it.
Neat observation! (see big don't-check-until-after-the-ending spoiler).
Nope you are very lucky.
Did they change the rates in the PC version? I mean, I barely got 40% over the course of the whole game.
There's some out of left field stuff involving him coming later rather than sooner, but I won't mention how, or if I found it super-great or not.
Hmmmmmmmmmm
I have no idea, but I also wish they weren't all so long. They put a lot of effort into this one, which makes me think like... no wonder they weren't so keen on making a DR4 afterwards.
* Ahhhh, so that's how the laws of robotics came up ages ago. Clever game. Though I wonder if Chiaki was ever given an order by a human that she didn't obey. OTOH Monomi didn't seem to follow these laws. I may be overthinking things yet again.
* A mastermind candidate will probably come up, but I wonder if I'll be able to exclude another Alter Ego Junko as mastermind candidate.
* Huh, I assumed so but I don't actually remember if the Ultimate Academy was supposed to produce hope or if Monokuma has been making a point out of causing despair (I think he has), I should be paying more attention to that.
* On second thought, the time of Kokichi witnessing the half-naked girl and Gonta chasing people down don't match, so she's probably not Miu.
* For a second I thought Tsumugi could be cosplaying a half-naked character before realizing I was being dumb.
* Perhaps in addition to thinking what happened regarding Ryoma's body, perhaps I should also think about why it happened, it's not clear why the culprit would want the body to be found out like that.
* Hmmm, realistically I wouldn't expect the stairs to remain wet through the night, but I'm not sure the game agrees. It help me greatly if I could assume that the culprit got into the pool to place the lid there without breaking it, but I don't know why not breaking it would be important to them.
* You know, after typing the above I realized I hadn't made the obvious connection between the glass panel and being at the gym. Either the culprit acted there in the morning while Angie and Himiko were there, or in the short timespan between when those two were at the Ultimate Entomologyst's lab and nighttime. That means Gonta, K1-B0, Kiyo, Tsumugi and Tenko are clear. Presumably Himiko and Angie can't act while the other is there so they're clear. Kokichi and Kimuri support each other's 9:00-10:00 alibi. That leaves out Kaito, Maki and Miu. Gosh why did I not notice this earlier.
* Maki seems adamant about this keeping watch thing, I'll assume it's not her. Unfortunately no one mentioned at what time she met with Gonta. Plus, she can't die until she starts giving me friendship fragment things.
* I wonder if the Ultimate Imposter could cosplay as well as the Ultimate Cosplayer.
* I said the half-naked girl's time didn't match with Gonta's seizings, but if that's Miu's "secret woman's weapon" it'd make sense for her to stay like that if she didn't want Gonta to so much as approach her, as if she were hiding something.
* Being that she's the Ultimate Inventor, it'd be easy for me to explain away anything with her inventing a device for it, that's a good way to get things wrong.
* Perhaps Ryoma was around Miu because she could keep Gonta away, and that's when she made use of the opportunity to kill him somehow.
* I'm still drawing a blank about the pool and Ultimate Prisoner's lab, but I don't think I'll get much farther than this. I can keep guessing vague things about Miu but perhaps I should think about whether Kaito could've done it or not, and even then that still relies on the culprit having to be at the gym from 9:00 pm to 10:00 pm.
* So Miu or Kaito. Alright, let's.
Ah, yeah, that's probably it.
It's kind of funny how Junko comes up, but saying any more is probably a spoiler.
I suddenly had a feeling that they jumped the gun on that, but actually in Danganronpa it's obvious that Cosplay would beat Imposter...ing. So, I guess not?
errrr
* Hah, Monokid gets a mourning portrait too, it's funny because nobody will ever mourn it.
* It seems I misunderstood the wet stairs Truth Bullet, I thought that it said there was also some water on the stairs.
* One of these days the obvious suspect will be guilty and I'll be surprised. Though I guess Fuyuhiko was an obvious suspect and by every real-world standard he did co-murder Mahiru.
* Oh yeah, I forgot, Miu was at the show and Kaito was not, so that's a point against him, but I'm still not convinced either way.
* Why are V points called V points?
* Ooooh, that was what the glass pane was for. I guess this is where my hypothesis begins to unravel.
* It occurs to me that the cause of death was a huge deal in this case, but the Monokuma File snitched it.
* I learned that Mass Panic Debate dialogue shows up in the transcription, seemed like it would be useful but it's even more confusing like that.
* Hmmm... Shuichi thinks it's not Miu, that Kokichi 's testimony about seeing her around the courtyard clears her up, but I instead expected the culprit to be going from the pool to the gym and vice-versa. We'll see.
* "I want to believe in X", I don't think this has been said about anyone that doesn't turn out to be guilty, and this game has been especially adamant about uncovering harsh truths.
* Yah, Kokichi is definitely a Kyouko, and Kiyo is still a good Kyouko candidate.
* I thought Tsumugi said she was keeping watch on Kokichi tho, but he stole Ryoma's motive video.
* The more idiotically baseless Kairo's hunches about believing sound, the more convincing they seem.
* I see the game outright tells you when to lie, which is a good thing because there's no way lying can seem like a good idea on its own.
* Kaito: "And nobody say you suddenly remember talking to Maki! It's way too late for that!", apparently I'm the only one allowed to lie.
* Yeah, there was no way the wire rope loop thing wasn't how the body got there. But if one can't count on the 9:00-10:00 alibis I can't imagine how they're gonna figure this out.
* Maybe Maki is the other Kyouko?
* Hmmm.. it was Kimuri who didn't have an alibi for the conspicuous five minute window for lid placement. Pun not originally intended.
* Ahhh, so it wasn't a loop.
* So the primary Kyouko is an unsocial girl and the secondary Kyouko is a degenerate male who has a creepy fascination for killing games.
* TIL ropeway is the right term for the pulley thing.
* Though I expected actual pulleys.
* I was wondering how despite how often it comes up, apparently no culprit had asked for rules clarification before going on with a murder.
* Huh, I accidentally solved a Nonstop Debate by lying ("anybody could've killed Ryoma at night" and I tried to convey that the others had alibis for the lid placement but apparently I was supposed to lie about it instead). And I'm not sure how the ensuing conversation follows from that. I'm pretty sure I would've been stuck on that otherwise.
* I had no idea what the piece of cloth at the pool was about but it was the only thing that hadn't come up yet so it had to be the solution to this puzzle.
* It's not nice that the Closing Argument is not in chronological order.
* I said the Monokuma File snitched on the basis of revealing the cause of death but apparently Kirumi was counting on exactly that.
* Couldn't Kirumi retrieve the inner tube (and piece of cloth assuming she noticed) right at the beginning of daytime?
* Maaan, that was difficult, there was no way I was going to get close to figuring these things out on my own. Still, I felt it was fair. The trial itself also kept me thinking constantly, although Lie Bullets made things awkward, you can even feel it in the characters' faces.
How do they come up with these weird minigames.
Also I don't like lying.
After reading your latest post:
No spoilers! (or spoilery insinuations)
* So, before watching Kirumi's video, I still think the characters made too much of a deal about the videos being switched around, they acted like they were holding each other hostage.
* I wonder if the "back by popular demand" of the motive videos is true IRL.
* TBH I'm having a hard time taking the Prime Minister Ultimate Maid highschooler thing seriously the way the game seems to want me to. I get the feeling I'd have an even harder time if I were Japanese, regardless of how patriotic I were. Maybe if I were desensitized about anime maids doing out-there things...
* Ahh, so Ryoma changed his mind about living... or maybe being sacrificed became his newfound reason to live?
* Awwww, now that's a cruel motive video. Nothing could be this sad. Though I do know from Report Card events that there is (was?) a cat out there for him to live for.
* Letting the Prime Minister thing aside, that part right before the punishment was quite emotive.
* Man, this game really upped the ante on executions. I wish the Monokubs stood away from them, though.
* But it seems she could've gotten away from being voted by showing others her motive video.
* Perhaps they should destroy the Kubpads? It's not against the rules. Also I'm thinking that any plot point that makes me recheck the rules is a good plot point.
* The stars thing, the secret identity thing, the game seems to want me to be speculating about the setting right now. Not now tho I was supposed to be asleep a few hours ago.
Now that's a trial.
May as well update:
* If the moral of this game is again going to be that you should search for the truth even thought it might be very harsh, it better be good at the "you should search for the truth" because there's been a lot of "it might be very harsh".
* I think I'd rather get pummeled with baseballs or get a very prolonged, violent hanging than have to go through Kimuri's punishment.
* Reminder to my future self to watch the Ultimate Prime Minister thing on Nico Nico Douga or something and see what the people who aren't separated by water from it have to say about it.
That's very true!
...
She's just a Chuuni. However, I'm sure Toko/Genocide Jack was an actual personality disorder.
Yeah it's mainly for experiencing in the moment, rather than later.
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Oh have I guess they haven't started calling her [#@&!] Roll yet?
Yeah this is one of those instances where it was a good idea in theory but never, ever in practice. However, sometimes they don't actually warn you. I never really had a problem with lies though. Other stuff, however...
Certain things are red herrings until they're not.
Oh yeah that gets real complex later on.
Hey!!!
I thought I wasn't going to get to play much but I did after all.
* Also there shouldn't have been scratches outside the sink, but there they were clearly visible.
* So that explains why Maki kept watch over what I now know is the Ultimate Assassin's lab.
* No little kid has survived past chapter 5's daily life, Kokichi probably will but Himiko is in danger.
* Ahhh so the world blew up, probably.
* Kiyo has got the best Ultimate Lab so far.
* This chapter tells me this is not the real world moreso than the others have, I do wish it's significantly different from DR2 tho.
* And more afterlife-theming.
* About time it came up that Angie is the Ultimate Artist.
* I got half-stuck finding out where to use the Golden Hammer, it didn't occur to me to recheck Hallway 4F which I had just reveaked.
* Maki should've claimed she's the Ultimate Weapons Enthusiast or something instead.
* Judging from her lab, being the Ultimate Assassin is not too different from being the Ulrimate Soldier, they even resemble each other.
* Rantaro was a special case, but I bet I can guess that a character win't die if their lab hasn't been revealed yet.
* I chose not to go to the girls' pool party (and it seemed very out of character for Shuichi to enthusiastically consider it), but I wonder if I'm missing something for doing so.
* Now that's an interesting motive (motive?).
Yeah it was pretty cool.
It's never the afterlife!!
I don't remember anything about this at all.
Whatevs, I'll find out in due time. It goes like this:
* Tsumugi: [...] Angie said we should have a party. We were planning to play in the pool with everyone after this.
[...]
* Shuichi: (The pool... So that's where all the girls will be.)
Balding Monokuma stares silently while Shuichi questions what it's about.
* Shuichi: (Suddenly, a thought flashed into my mind! A... man's... fantasy... Wh-Where is this thought coming from? Not from my mind... From my heart? Yes, my heart! For I have love on my side!)
* Balding Monokuma: ...
* Shuichi: I understand now, Monokuma. You're telling me... that it's time. (The girls are going to go play in the pool, which means they'll be in swimsuits. That *must* mean a zany-yet-romantic scene will play out! And I'll be there! But should I? Is it really okay to be doing something like that? Tenko would kill me...)
(Choose yes/no)
Come to think of it, Shuichi didn't say that it was a girls-exclusive party (I did notice Tsumugi didn't say so), but considering the rest of the dialogue...
* I wonder why I can't trigger the event for Tsumugi's second friendship target. More character-changing happenings?
* For some reason I find it especially amusing that you can go to an elite school by being great at cosplaying, moreso than the fact that you can do the same by being a great clairvoyant, princess or little sister.
* The student-borne nighttime rule always seemed like a good idea to me, if only it could be enforced better.
* I figured they'd want to resurrect Rantaro, though not for cult reasons.
* For some reason Maki doesn't like being given weapons as presents. I guess she really doesn't like being the Ultimate Assassin after all.
* It hadn't occurred to me, but a benefit of interrupting playing during Daily Life is that I lose the notion of when a murder "should" happen.
* So it was Angie's turn.
* I'm not good at solving locked room mysteries.
* I don't think it's possible to reverse-pick cylinder locks, right? Reminder to self to learn how to pick locks.
* Oh wait the characters just contradicted me.
* Gotta remember that Angie would only open the door to Student Council members.
* I was wondering if I reeeeeaaaaally needed to be around for the seance, turns out I did. It hasn't been a good day for Himiko's friends.
* I always wondered why the ruling on multiple victims is never a rule from the get-go.
* Nonetheless it feels underwhelming that Tenko's murder would be a waste, so I'm tempted to assume Angie's killer also killed Tenko for a reason I'm yet to uncover.
* Man it really is suspicious that despite this being supposed to be the first time it's brought up, Keebo's Flashlight Option is a Truth Bullet.
* "If she was stabbed right when the cage was lifted, that would explain this bloodstain, right?" i dun gedit.
* I wondered why apparently nobody had noticed the blood before Himiko lifted the cage, I guess that was still too dark in-universe.
*The bloodstain on the cloth seems to contradict what Maki said about the time of stabbing.
* It's not out of the question that Tenko killed Angie.
* It's also not out of the question that Angie killed Tenko, now that would be an interesting outcome.
* It took me a while to make out what the triangle hole was next to Tenko's body.
* I doubt you can light up the underfloor without the characters noticing during a seance.
* lol Kokichi
* I really wanted to investigate some more and hear Kokichi's story before the trial began, but here we are.
This looks hard.
Edit: sp
Oh yeah, like the event from DR1.
I mean some of the things are clearly also untrue (Yasuhiro).
But like, Ultimate Princesses are important.
Oh you're probably before her character events then, in terms of her feelings about being the Ultimate Assassin.
This was the best thing to ever happen in Danganronpa. I mean, I loved Angie, but I also absolutely hated her. However, Atua doesn't disappear just yet.
Tradition?
The splatter pattern would be different if the cage was closed, which is supposed to be the more likely scenario.
* Hmmm, if Tenko's wound is on the back of her neck, that puts a damper on my idea of an anti-seance trap.
* I thought the plank thing could be a trap, but perhaps it's possible that Tenko's killer memorized the layout under the floorboard and guided themselves through touching planks and crossbeams.
* The best I can come up with for the sword in Kaede's doll was that it was used as a way to stab yourself.
* Hmmm... Angie's death was not instantaneous, if she wanted to help us know who her killer was you'd think she'd have painted a message to tell us something with all those painting supplies, I bet she'd have painted an unnecessarily pretty dying message. Either she killed herself or something/someone was there to stop her.
* I see Korekiyo as the obvious suspect in Tenko's case, but I wonder if the game agrees.
* Maybe it's too much to ask for the rotted scaffolding under the floorboards to be a red herring.
* I can easily believe that a non-Kiyo culprit knew that the Cage Child seance was going to take place, but it seems harder to believe that they knew what orientation the magic circle or Tenko would have. Nonetheless if Kiyo were Tenko's killer, setting up extra traps seems like a lot of potentially-backfiring trouble, even for the purpose of misleading.
* Who was it who decided to use the middle room? Gotta recheck.
After reading your latest post:
Though that changes things. Hmmm... yeah, I don't think I'll get this case right either.
* I really can't think of anything besides the blanket already being bloodstained.
* Not that this is the right answer, but (I think) you can open (ferromagnetic) sliding locks using magnets.
* The Ultimate Magician should be able to pick locks, shouldn't she?
* So I replayed the investigation, I felt the need to. I got to read Tenko's last words to Himiko too.
* Oh yeah, it was Himiko who decided to use the dark rooms for the seance and which one.
* I wonder if I can count that Kiyo's instructions for the seance are accurate.
* I still haven't accounted for the duct tape under Angie's body.
* Himiko volunteered as medium. I didn't feel cynical enough to guess she killed Tenko but I suppose it helps that it's now a remote possibility.
* The book's magic circle doesn't include the corner lines (or that trigram next to the path but that's probably not important). Also I've always found it suspicious that it's not aligned almost-symetrically with the room. And I guess one could use the circle's salt for guidance in the dark, but the floorboard seems easier.
* Also, Kokichi handled the sheet before the seance on plainly lit places, so it probably wasn't bloodstained then.
* It just occurred to me something dumb about someone hiding inside the dog statue, but if it weren't for the sheet and cage I'd totally believe it.
* You know, I just realized that I can exclude the seance-ers from suspicion on the simple basis that if one of them had been moving from their spots, thothers would've noticed something with their singing, I feel like this is the first decent hint I thought of.
* I guess the body discovery announcement timing supports the thing about Tenko dying when the cage was lifted. Himiko is lucky that this game has the multiple murder blackening rule it does.
* The mid-seance sound doesn't sound like plank movements, but the plank did move, maybe it's just me?
* So I just now bothered to check and 175 pounds is only 80kg, there's no way nothing was up with the statue. Maybe it was stuffed with something.
* I really can't convince myself on whether traps were setup (Angie and Kokichi presumably banging their heads on a plank, the cage lifting thing) or if the culprit did somerhing to Tenko from below the floorboard.
* You know, I think the culprit simply set up the planks like that and waited below the floorboard for the seance, then either killed Tenko with the scythe or set it up so that lifting the cage would kill her, it doesn't really matter.(Edit: then placed the scythe on the corner.) Though I can't explain the unconscousness and pool of blood if no other injuries were detected.
* Ahh right, it was an opaque sheet. There's no way the culprit wasn't below Tenko.
* I figured our some possible things but I'm still drawing a blank. Oh well, I'll wild-guess Keebo for Tenko's death, suicide for Angie's. I don't like giving up without at least having a course of events in mind, but I want to move on. Alright, let's unravel this.
Imperial units strike back.
* Angie has the best mourning portrait so far (wings and halo).
* I find white noise kind of hard to avoid this trial.
* Huh, that was a simple explabation for the locked room.
* lol Suspect Rangers
* Man, coveying that Keebo's flashlight would've been visible was way harder than it needed to be. You're supposed to contradict "our culprit had a light" which is not wrong, while there's "Keebo could've used the flashlight function" which really is wrong.
* I should start getting into the habit of, when trying to shoot down an argument and getting it wrong, to double check thaI had loaded the Truth Bullet I meant to use.
* Hmmm... I'll need more convincing on Tenko's suicide.
* I guess there's something clever in lying in such away that someone else knows that you know that they know that you're lying. Like cooperative trialin'
* Boo, the game got softlocked and I had to restart.
* So that's how she was killed. Yah it's Kiyo.
* I bet Himiko is too tiny and weak at jumping to do the swiveling floorboard thing even if she tried.
* I can't help bit notice that all three cases have involved someone willing to die.
* I can't believe of all things I got the salt touch thing right.
* Kokichi sucks at spot-the-difference.
* Man we completely forgot about Angie, if this trial takes the usual amount of time it's going to be short.
* I said it'd be underwhelming if Tenko's murder didn't matter for the killibg game, but on second thought a student (knowingly) making use of an unrelated murder to kill someone they hate is interesting in a drama way.
* This is the part of the trial that gets all weird, isn't it?
* Oh, oh, Lipstick!Kiyo is his sister (or rather, a split personality and both personalities consider each other siblings).
* Man this game's culprits really know how to stump me.
* Apparently I overestimated the amount of weight some kids should be able to handle.
* I'm close to 999 monocoins, gotta remember to exchange them for casino stuff.
* If the sister thing is true, I wonder if this counts as incest.
* Ah, it's really his sister, that's the benefit of Free Time events. Also I think this is the first time one of my relationship targets dies.
* These elite academies have issues enrolling serial killers.
* I wonder if Kiyo's actual sister was as unhinged as Sister!Kiyo is. * I was guessing using the Necronomicon would've resulted in the target (or a copy) being raised as a zombie or something similarly undesirable.
*
* I'm regretting not having spent more Free Time on Himiko.
* So Kaito really is sick.
That was sad. And odd. That was sodd.