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The Elder Scrolls

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  • DYREDYRE
    edited 2012-04-27 13:59:15

    I'm pretty sure that potions will run out while you're crafting/enchanting/upgrading items.  So you should probably make a couple potions.

  • FuschlatzFuschlatz
    edited 2012-04-27 22:10:59
    A Mind You Do NOT Want To Read

    Thanks, INUH. I guess you can't get the Ancient Shrouded Armour without the fortune telling from Olava...


    Also, I can confirm that time still flows when you're using a grindstone, a workbench or an arcane enchanter. So if you're relying on potions for the ability to properly upgrade or enchant something, then for fuck's sake get it done quickly.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Sure you can. You just have to use CHIM.
  • FuschlatzFuschlatz
    edited 2012-04-27 22:57:26
    A Mind You Do NOT Want To Read

    See, I don't know what CHIM is, so that doesn't really help me.

  • MacDuffyMacDuffy
    edited 2012-04-27 22:46:06
    We have reviewed your resume' and we find you delicious.
    CHIM is just a fancy term for meta-awareness for the characters in the Elder Scrolls universe.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I don't know what CHIM is



    And yet you call yourself an Elder Scrolls fan :|

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2012-04-27 22:48:50
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Basically, the PC in a TES game knows they're a videogame character, and thus can use pausing and the modding tools and stuff. Vivec and Tiber Septim have it too.
  • FuschlatzFuschlatz
    edited 2012-04-27 22:51:03
    A Mind You Do NOT Want To Read

    Ah, okay. So that's what it is.



    And yet you call yourself an Elder Scrolls fan :|



    I seriously do not recall even being aware of the franchise until Skyrim came out.

  • LegionnaireLegionnaire
    edited 2012-04-27 22:50:11

    ^^So if I used "kill" on Vivec or ol' Tiber, they could just use "resurrect"?

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    As I understand it, it's actually a bit more complicated than that. They are aware of the fictional world they live in, and of the structures that exist within it to allow the world to survive, including the construction tools for modding and the pause menu. However, the fourth wall is still intact; they know that they live in a fictional world, but they're not aware that there is a world outside of theirs.


    It is as if they are a God in terms of their world, with their power achieved through the manipulation of game elements, but they are not fully aware of the implications of living in such a world.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Well, in theory, but Tiber never shows up and vivec is aware that you're the main character so he lets you kill him if you want.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star

    ^ Doesn't he even encourage killing him since it allows for some sequence breaking?

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    They could also probably load savestates.

  • MacDuffyMacDuffy
    We have reviewed your resume' and we find you delicious.
    So, in essence, an NPC who attains CHIM becomes a PC.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^^Indeed; that's how Tiber conquered the empire.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    So, in essence, an NPC who attains CHIM becomes a PC.



    No. Neither Vivec nor Tiber Septim are PC's, despite having achieved CHIM. Tiber Septim did, however, ascend to divinity and became Talos.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Also, I hate being the last post on a page :|

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    I still argue that Tiber outranks the other 8. He kinda broke Akatosh at one point.
  • FuschlatzFuschlatz
    A Mind You Do NOT Want To Read

    Currently considering whether or not I should become a vampire. Is it particularly worth it, considering I've already mastered Sneak and Illusion?

  • LegionnaireLegionnaire
    edited 2012-04-27 22:57:58

    ^^Indeed; that's how Tiber conquered the empire.


    Tell me, uncle INUH! Tell me how!

     No seriously, I've never actually come across that (granted, I wasn't paying attention when I read that article). Mind elaborating?

    ^^That too.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Well, the thing about CHIM is that it is literal omnipotence within the context of the game world. As in, literal omnipotence, superceding all other forms of reality warping.


    If a practitioner of CHIM so desired, they could drag Akatosh into the world, stat him out, prevent him from escaping, and fight him to the death, and then make that death permanent.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    > No seriously, I've never actually come across that (granted, I wasn't paying attention when I read that article). Mind elaborating?



    Read a book about the dragonbreak. Several thousands of years of records exist for 80 years or so of actual history. The implication is that the extra is all unused save files.
  • NovaNova
    edited 2012-04-27 23:04:43
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    It's a few hundred years of history, actually. Ever since Oblivion/Skyrim. Wait, no, it's for that specific period of time.


    But yeah, what INUH is talking about is the Dragon Break, or the Warp in the West.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2012-04-27 23:05:21
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    No, the warp in the west is a different dragonbreak. There was another one when Tiber conquered the empire.
  • LegionnaireLegionnaire

    Oh. Yes, I'm familiar with the Dragonbreaks. This



    Several thousands of years of records exist for 80 years or so of actual history.



    is news to me.

  • NovaNova
    edited 2012-04-27 23:10:46
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    No, the warp in the west is a different dragonbreak



    I'm aware, but it's a better example of a Dragon Break, as I didn't know he already knew what it was.


    But here:



    We'll give you credit: you broke Alkosh something fierce, and that's not easy. Just don't think you solved what you accomplished by it, or can ever solve it. You did it again with Big Walker, not once, but twice! Once at Rimmen, which we'll never learn to live with. The second time it was in Daggerfall, or was it Sentinel, or was it Wayrest, or was it in all three places at once? Get me, Cyrodiil? When will you wake up and realize what really happened to the Dwarves?



    and here:



    The author of the Encyclopedia Tamrielica was apparently unfamiliar with the Alessian "year", which their priesthood used to record all dates. We now know this refers to the length of the long vision-trances undertaken by the High Priestess, which might last anywhere from a few weeks to several months. Based on analysis of the surviving trance scrolls, as well as murals and friezes from Alessian temples, I estimate that the Alessian Order actually lasted only about 150 years, rather than the famous "one thousand and eight years" given by the Encyclopedia Tamrielica. The "mystery" of the millennial-plus rule of the Alessians was accepted but unexplained until the spread of the Lorkhan cults in the late 3rd era, when the doctrine of the Dragon Break took hold.


  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    (Not Talos' Dragon Break in the second one, but one that I read as another expansion of time.)

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2012-04-28 00:51:38
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    I should also mention regarding that bit about killing Vivec that his writings mention that for someone who knows CHIM, death is "but a shortcut back to the waking world." In other words, it breaks immersion :P


    CHIM is also the explanation for why Cyrodiil is suddenly not a jungle in Oblivion ("CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King, once jungled." Mythic Dawn Commentaries III).


    And remember all those jokes about the Emperor in Oblivion noticing that you're the PC? Well...they're not as silly as they're supposed to be. The Amulet of Kings is also known as "CHIM-el Adabal." My theory is that it lets the Emperors identify people with CHIM.


    And apparently CHIM isn't anywhere near the bottom of the TES lore rabbithole. 

  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star

    ^ Can you elaborate on the deeper stuff?

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Can you elaborate on the deeper stuff?



    Well, there is always the Godhead.

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