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GLORIOUSLeader · 2011-05-15 22:34:20

Remember, Chagen: some men just want to watch the world burn.

Chagen · 2011-05-15 22:36:15

Please tell me it was saved for humor.

Stormtroper · 2011-05-16 02:13:34

^x10: I'm calling parody on that troperific troper tales twerp.

Myrmidon · 2011-05-16 05:32:01

Chagen, please stop using Moe as an adjective to describe things that aren't anime characters or the Three Stooges.

DarkDecapodian · 2011-05-16 06:04:41

Or Velvet Underground drummers. Or Springfieldian bartenders.

InsanityAddict · 2011-05-16 07:40:36

That entry doesn't sound so unrealistic to me: I know a gal who is a bit like that(colourful dressing, snarky, hyper, does random stuff all the time), but without the asinine self-posturing.

Stormtroper · 2011-05-16 08:09:58

^x5 From here:

Arguably, this Troper is probably the youngest of which who suffers from this Trope. This is practically the invisible label that's under the invisible Berserk Button of this 13-year old kid. He broke 33 pencils in his life, and had a good friend break two of those pencils because they were too hard. He even yelled at someone because that guy was the third person who asked if he could be punched for the third time, with a teacher only a mile ahead!

Extra:

I actually shit myself when I read that. There I realized I wasn't just dealing with the usual horrifyingly egotistical Troper Tale. This person will BREAK YOUR PENCILS without a second thought. Should he meet you, without any regret, he will DESTROY your beloved pencil collection. Your Crayola, your HB, everything. That beloved pencil you had for three years? Snapped in two with no remorse. Even if you reinforce your pencils to try and stop him, he has a good friend, even better in the arts of pencil-snapping. And when he is done, you will be nothing, sobbing in a heap of pencils as broken as your dreams. And he will laugh. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

^ People like that exist, I'm sure, but it takes dedication to condense all those traits into one wall of text showing all that's wrong with troper tales.

Myrmidon · 2011-05-16 13:57:29

You know, looking over that thread I made about Troper Tales, I have to say:All the "keeping" arguments really did suck massive donkey balls.

Komodin · 2011-05-16 14:00:46

Oh, you still care about this?

Myrmidon · 2011-05-16 14:01:59

Yes. I am very sorry I care about our wiki's fate and reputation.

Nyarly · 2011-05-16 14:02:29

There would have been more hope if the participants would have acted more civil.

This includes you, Myr.

Myrmidon · 2011-05-16 14:09:41

Civil has never been my Forte.

Nyarly · 2011-05-16 14:16:01

Oh, and using Something Awful as proof is not helping your case at all. It's as if you ask a random bum on the street about his opinion.

If TT is really hurting the wiki's reputation, then it should be easy enough to find proof on sites that aren't nearly solely about bashing anything they can find. And it's not like you didn't find anything. Just avoid serving SA as "proof", you don't have to rely on goons after all.

Myrmidon · 2011-05-16 14:17:49

I gave proof on the actual thread,

Vorpy · 2011-05-16 14:24:23

Oh no, sites are making fun of other sites on the internet. Tv Tropes will never be the same. Some very bad things can be pointed out for Google, Wikipedia, Youtube, SankakuComplex, Tinypic, SomethingAwful, ED, 4chan, 5chan, 7chan, all of the Boorus, Cracked, Mad and even YahooAnswers. Sites tease other sites. Sites will ALWAYS tease other sites. If they aren't making fun of us for having embarassing anecdotes that are subject to poe's law, then it's trying to hide all of the dumb shit that fans put on our site, or how stupid the people in the forum are, or how bad the moderation is or how dreadfully pointless the entire idea of the site is.

Myrmidon, TV Tropes doesn't give a fuck what you are trying to do for it. We are not going to thank you or congratulate you in any way for trying to "save TVT's reputation" when every site can and will eventually develop a reputation when it becomes popular. As long as people can click the "Edit" button anywhere on TV Tropes, stupid shit will always be put there, whether it's real or fake.

Nyarly · 2011-05-16 14:28:24

My point is simply that you shouldn't use SA as proof. That hurts your credibility even when you use more... respectable sites as proof too. Also, I wouldn't use This Troper as proof. Few take them seriously and some even like it (in fact, the Snark Bait is one of the reasons why some people like Troper Tales).

However, the worst thing was probably the comparison to murder legalization. That's as if you shout on top of your lungs "I'm a stupid hyperbole!" With that comparison, you pretty much asked for everybody to not take you serious. If you make comparisons, you should use something that's not so extreme. It's similar to invoking Godwin's Law and you are just shooting into your own foot.

Myrmidon · 2011-05-16 14:36:26

I was going to use theft, but someone would have been a smartass and would have started to talk about Discworld.

Noimporta · 2011-05-16 15:07:33

very bad things can be pointed out for Google, Wikipedia, Youtube, SankakuComplex, Tinypic, SomethingAwful, ED, 4chan, 5chan, 7chan, all of the Boorus, Cracked, Mad and even YahooAnswers. Sites tease other sites.

That assumes that reputation is a rigid dichotomy between good and bad. It's not. Despite being mocked for its uptightness, wikipedia's reputation is infinitely better than 4chan's, Google's reputation is almost perfect, if what I've heard is correct, danbooru's reputation is better than gelbooru's, despite both being really similar sites.

4chan in particular is a good example of a site's reputation being greatly affected by a subset of it. Despite having some pretty good places like /co/ or /m/, and generally being the source of some pretty awesome stuff, it's thought of as /b/ by a non amount of people.

Also, mockery is not equal either. Being described by The Agony Booth as "the site that likes everything" is much more benign than being known as "that site that has a Fandom Secrets lite attached to it".

Myrmidon, TV Tropes doesn't give a fuck what you are trying to do for it. We are not going to thank you or congratulate you in any way for trying to "save TVT's reputation"

TV Tropes is not an unified entity you can speak for, and many people do, in fact care about the reputation of the site, even if they disagree with him on what should be done about it. Among these people is Fast Eddie.

when every site can and will eventually develop a reputation when it becomes popular.

And we should hope it's a good one. Or better yet, take action to make it more likely.

As long as people can click the "Edit" button anywhere on TV Tropes, stupid shit will always be put there, whether it's real or fake.

Which is why there should be a good structure designed to discourage it, and weed it out when it happens.

Schitzo · 2011-05-16 15:10:06

Yes, I know i'm reading youtube comments and they are shit by default, but goddamn those comments are so holier than thou it hurts to laugh XD

Elbeem · 2011-05-16 19:00:17

To put "This Troper" in perspective, the Echo Chamber vlog for Show within a Show has accumulated ~9400 views in the two days it has been uploaded... which is about 700 more than the first This Troper video has gotten since January.

Not to say they don't have valid criticisms. At the same time, though, it's not an end-of-the-world-delete-all-troper-tales-immediately-and-salt-the-earth-afterward catastrophe either.

There is still the option of bringing up the problem TT pages for discussion and deletion, which I think would be a more productive use of time at this point.

Stormtroper · 2011-05-17 01:20:12

To put "This Troper" in perspective, the Echo Chamber vlog for Show within a Show has accumulated ~9400 views in the two days it has been uploaded... which is about 700 more than the first This Troper video has gotten since January.

That, and we know many of those views come from tropers who know better than to judge TV Tropes by Troper Tales.

ninjaclown · 2011-05-17 01:24:26

Wait, people are still doing this?

Stormtroper · 2011-05-17 01:39:10

In theory.

ninjaclown · 2011-05-17 01:57:36

If people are still doing this in the forums, I can going to give them a good talking to, seriously this is dumb. This thread reached past 200 posts, that's why I sound a bit angry.

Incidentally, I wonder why we keep Troper Tales around, rather than abolish them, or even move them to a separate wiki.

inkblot · 2011-05-17 02:00:41

^^^^^ Videos that get advertised on every page of a major site get more views that videos that don't. Film at 11. We can't judge public opinion of TT through how many videos This Troper gets. TT may not be a disaster PR-wise, but whether it's significant is another story.

Elbeem · 2011-05-17 06:27:34

^ The point is, the total amount of views for This Troper is a drop in the bucket compared to the traffic TV Tropes proper gets on a daily basis, as evidenced by the fact that the Echo Chamber video smoked it in two days.

That's why I'm not overly concerned that some SA people are making fun of TV Tropes. I'm not saying that Troper Tales should stay, just that I've seen no evidence to suggest that even a significant minority of them have objectionable content. I don't see This Troper as some smoking gun that means we should all start panicing now.

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