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  • RottweilerRottweiler
    edited 2011-04-29 10:44:48
    Inside, too dark to read
    @Abyss_Worm: Lucky them.

    Even if you want to analyze anime tropes, the random order discourages that. Just using the site, there's no way to understand influence.

    If you just want to see a work featuring in , this isn't a problem. The pages are handy for showing which entertainment products will scratch that itch.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    edited 2011-04-29 10:46:00
    Because you never know what you might see.
    @Wicked: Well, that wouldn't be a substitute for an actual chronological approach carefully researching and describing the history and evolution of each trope.

    But you'd have to do it properly.  The works which are influential are not always the works that are fashionable or critically acclaimed, so you'd have to be very careful and rigorous when deciding what was notable.

    As I said, a fundamentally different project.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    You can set the folders closed in your forum profile, ya know.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    Wait....what are you guys talking about?
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    edited 2011-04-29 12:11:02

    We're already getting trolls linking to the videos on the forum under the false hope that we don't already know and it'll cause to freak out, like they did with the ED page back when it still sucked.

     

    Except these ones are filled with MORAL INDIGNATION11!1!!, which is arguably worse.

  • SaigyoujiSaigyouji
    But you never had any to begin with.
    Heh. I remember when the Furry Club one was posted in there. I'm not sure what reactions they were expecting, but I suspect it wasn't a combination of boredom and mild amusement.
  • MousaThe14MousaThe14
    Writer, Artist, Obscure.
    It was mostly boredom and mild amusement.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    Rott, you can set folders to be automatically closed as well on your profile. Or just click the Open/Close Folders button when you load the page. One of the primary reasons that I have put a lot of effort into folderizing pages over the last year was to help alleviate issues with people having to scroll past categories they find distasteful.

    As far as things not being listed in alphabetical order, I've been kind of conflicted on that. While it would make it easier to look for a given work, if that's what the reader is after, it would make it more difficult for readers who are instead looking for new examples that have been added since they last saw the page.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-04-29 12:20:47
    You can change. You can.
    It's because TvT's forums are nothing but a den of selfdeprecators. And this is the only time in the history of ever I'm glad it is.

    ^ I just check the edit history for that. 
  • RottweilerRottweiler
    Inside, too dark to read
    @Elbeem: I don't find anime distasteful. There are any number of them I like.

    But tropes are perpetuated through influence, so if you're curious about how one developed, arranging the media in chronological order could make pages useful, without making them any less useful for people using them as reference for "I want to see a work with in ; what's out there?"
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Don't we have Trope Codifiers/Maker and Ur-Tropes for that?

    And if they are a stub, well....

    We have work to do, gentlemen.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-04-29 12:43:14
    @Rott: Ah, I thought you were going for alphabetical as opposed to chronological order. I wouldn't have any more of a problem with the latter than I do with the former, it would just take a fundamental shift in the editing process to get people used to doing that. There would also need to be an indication as to how the readers would prefer to see it, probably.

    Edit: And I didn't mean to imply that you find Anime itself to be distasteful, but the fact that the Anime section is often listed amongst the first handful of categories.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    Alphabetical order's a bitch.
  • snowbullsnowbull
    edited 2011-04-29 13:59:49
    Cue-bey
    Solution: categorize it as Japanimation.

  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    It'll still come before literature, so they'll bitch and moan.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    edited 2011-04-29 14:10:27
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    But then there's the whining over that; it'll never happen.

    Personally, this is why I like folders. I can just skip over the parts I don't want to read. 
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-04-29 14:16:44
    ^ Exactly, folders are the best solution for all parties. I've probably folderized several hundred pages since this time last year, and would suggest that anyone who has a problem with category order do the same on unfolderized pages.

    They also make the persistence of complaints about category order seem rather silly, when you can simply ignore the categories you don't like with the click of a button.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    No. The eternal knowledge that Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha has more entries than War and Peace will always be there, haunting them as they sleep.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3385907

    So is this their birthplace?
  • NovaNova
    edited 2011-04-29 15:01:23
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    • No. The eternal knowledge that Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha has more entries than War and Peace will always be there, haunting them as they sleep.


      If War and Peace didn't suck, it wouldn't.
  • RottweilerRottweiler
    Inside, too dark to read
    @Elbeem: But putting the folders and the entries within them in chronological order would make the pages more  useful (you could see influence and development) without making them any less useful for people who use them to look up which entertainment products in a medium contain Trope X.

    Some would win, none would lose.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-04-29 17:08:35
    You can change. You can.
    ^^It's called a wikigroan.

    The problem is that you can't make up stuff. All we can do is work on the tropes and see which work has more.

    Also, I remember a this troper video where they mocked exactly this. IIRC, they complained that Digimon's tear jerker page was bigger than Digimon's

    Clearly a three hour movie is bound to have more tear jerkers than a franchise that has had at least four iterations. Am I rite?
  • Wicked223Wicked223
    We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, For the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year
    If that held consistently, though, Guiding Light would be the longest page on the wiki.
  • NoimportaNoimporta
    I wonder how they choose what comments to use?  I mean, how is Tzetze's car accident story creepy, while my confession to wondering what I'd be like as a lesbian or my speculation about what it'd be like to have your eyelids cut off were ignored?

    I mean, obviously not complaining, but I'm not seeing what was so funny about some of the things they picked out.  Some of the posts admittedly were creepy, but the only things wrong with Tzetze's and Myrm's were the voices they read them in.

    It's not necessarily them being creepy, but rather... how to put it?... lame? silly? trying too hard? What I mean is, if you didn't know, for example, Quetzalwhatever, his post could easily be interpreted as "Why don't I have a Tragic Backstory!?" and Tzetze's as something like "I'm an stoic, emotionless robot"... the videos are still pretty lame, though: very few of the voices are funny, and actually having read most of those posts, and knowing the people who made them and the context in which they did it removes the element of "Oh, silly Tropers" that the videos are going for.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-04-29 17:26:40
    You can change. You can.
    If that held consistently, though, Guiding Light would be the longest page on the wiki.


    From TvTropes: However, this being a daytime Soap Opera, not all of this narrative material is known to exist. Not much survives from the radio years, or the first 25 years or so of its TV incarnation, and what does exist is in the form of kinescopes and home video recordings (and vinyls, in the case of the radio years).

    Also, there's the fact that you and I know perfectly well that that's not the only factor contributing to that wikigroan. Or wikigroans in general
  • RottweilerRottweiler
    Inside, too dark to read
    very few of the voices are funny

    I can see what they were aiming for, but it's what you might call a "comedy of no idea". Like, stripped of any idea of who Myrmidon is, one might find a humorous connection between the "old man" voice and wrinkly monkey avatar.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Exactly. To us people who have talked to Tzetze or Myrmidon before it just sounds hilariously off.

    Which I like, to be honest.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    Get off my lawn!
  • StormtroperStormtroper
    So I got around to watching This Troper, starting with the Odd Confessions episode. Meh.

    Though I gotta agree on the Outside Joke thing.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-05-01 13:42:43
    I'm just sad that the quote of mine they picked for the Furry Club video was so tame. I can think of at least half a dozen more embarrasing things I said in that thread on the first 10 pages alone.

    It's like they were just phoning that one in or something.
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