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  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    edited 2011-03-19 14:13:33
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Then I'm afraid your actions were counter-productive, because what happened was you got reprimanded more than once (as did the people goading you when we caught them), and you stood out to us as somebody who would frequently fly off the handle.
  • vandrovandro
    edited 2011-03-19 14:18:21
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Yes, it told me I was being a dick, because that is what I was being back then. In no other moment I have ever meant to offend anyone. The problem was no longer personal attacks but the different definition I seem to have compared to the higher ups of what constitutes "being too rude". And that seems to be a difference in culture than any other thing.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Hm.. well, what constitutes being rude in Panama?  Because I'd have thought, had it been meant seriously, calling somebody a "dumbfuck" was fairly unambiguously rude, as was making sarcastic comments about people or going on about stupid Americans or what have you.  But most of the time, I figured you were joking.
  • snowbullsnowbull
    Cue-bey
    Wait... hang on a mo, are you telling me that you didn't reply to Eddie or anything? He just sent you the PM, then banned you shortly afterwards without further explanation?


    I replied to him telling him I would stop, had deleted some posts that I personally thought qualified as dickish, then linked him to two posts asking him if those fell under what he considered dickish. I can't remember the exact content of the posts, but one of them was a jokey post claiming "Germaine conversation: 0, IJBM: 1", in reference to how all of the top non-megathread were related to/about IJBM, and another asking if Yack Fest could be Rome and IJBMers could be the Vandals. I didn't notice anyone getting angry/annoyed at those posts.

    In FE's defence, one person Pm'd me asking why I was being so abrasive, though he was the only one, and we were able to have a civil discussion my behaviour/the deletion of IJBM.

    Anyway, the root of my argument is not that I was not being a dick, but that I did not have a history of being a dick, and that people who did (Smokie, Autarch) have been given many, many more chances to clean up their acts than I did. Smokie had a long, long history of insulting/attacking people, and was even unbanned, and his later rebanning had nothing to do with his dickishness.
  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Calling someone a dumbfuck would elicit a "Y tu mama tambien" as people would not understand what you were saying, Rudeness itself is a question of intent and place, what I did was being impolite out of place, it seems.

    I am a sarcastic fuckbent, that is true,
     and I love hyperbole too
    And rhymes as well, if about stupid a US national
    It is obviously a joke, if examined rational.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    edited 2011-03-19 14:45:13
    Because you never know what you might see.
    @snowbull: Oh.  Well, I'm stumped.  I guess Fast Eddie must have read your PM as sarcastic?  But I really have no idea why you were banned after that.  Sorry.

    With regards to Smokie, he was a regular on TV Tropes for a very long time, and to the best of my knowledge we generally didn't mind his rudeness because we thought he was funny and we thought nobody in their right mind would take him seriously.  As the forums grew we started to put more hard-and-fast rules in place, and some behaviour that had previously been considered acceptable from regulars ceased to be in the interests of fairness.  Some tropers, like Jethro, adjusted OK.  Others, like Smokie and [AOD], made no apparent effort to.

    As for Autarch, he wasn't given that many chances, and I don't remember him being around for very long.

    @vandro: OK, well, first up, TV Tropes probably isn't the place for playing the dozens anyway, but I don't think you were being rude out of place so much as your intent was misinterpreted as being more malicious than it actually was.

    It's my impression that you have a kind of persona that you maintain online and that's possibly difficult to break out of; is that's true?  It's just, probably the first thing to do if you wanted to be allowed back to TV Tropes would be to not be "a sarcastic fuckbent", as you put it.  Just, y'know, tone it down a smidge.

    And... maybe it's a cultural thing, but I don't think it was obvious to Eddie that you were joking, at all.
  • vandrovandro
    edited 2011-03-19 14:55:16
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    It is the persona I keep on day-to-day activities, not only on the interwebs, it does get me in trouble with strangers, who assume I am a cynical prick because of it. Among the people I know, telling each other to fuck off is a social interaction that means we trust each other, besides it is cathartic.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Yeah, I'm afraid that would be a problem on TV Tropes.  The people with banhammers don't look kindly on that kind of behaviour.

    We've tended to have a fairly low tolerance for acerbic or offensive humour, but it's not always obvious where the line should be drawn.  We've often overlooked it, I think, until something has been said that seems overly extreme and we've only then taken action.  This has tended to create the unfortunate impression that all the mods were OK with a troper's behaviour until Eddie up and banned them in a fit of temper or something, which isn't really how it works.
  • vandrovandro
    edited 2011-03-19 15:37:58
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    I understand that over the top volleying insults are not welcome with FE and co. I can still remember when janitor was at inches of banning me for that. And what is playing the dozens?
  • NyktosNyktos
    a little muffled
    "It is?  First I've heard of it.  Tomu started an OTC thread on the subject and didn't get banned for it."

    I was referring to snowbull's reply to Eddie. That said, I suppose that's an isolated incident.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Yes, that was odd, which is why I think Eddie must have read the PM as sarcastic or something.  After all, we all know that snowbull was the King of IJBM and the biggest troll TV Tropes ever had.

    Y'know, it's been a while since snowbull's ban.  I'll see if Eddie's in a mood to reconsider.
  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    When was he banned?
  • DYREDYRE
    January 8
  • vandrovandro
    edited 2011-03-19 18:02:58
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    I saw the eight and inmediately thought of Suzumiya Haruhi, I got issues, clearly.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Clearly you do, or else you would have thought of Vriska.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    When Tnoph was autobanned, was there any mod discussion on whether or not I should come back? Madru and Morven have warned her before (once about annoying Yack Fest with the Nyuu sockpuppet and once by Madru for "bullshit that needs to stop, seriously." although I don't remember what that was, either spamming or cussing people out.) and I didn't get the attention of Fast Eddie at all until my thread creation period in YF and when I reported my own threads when people were trying to get them taken down by shitstorming.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Oh blimey, that was ages ago.  Er.  I don't think there was much mod discussion.  As far as I can remember, it was just, 'Tnoph wants to be unbanned, holy shit that's a lot of sockpuppets, OK you can come back but don't do it again'.
  • Central AvenueCentral Avenue
    edited 2011-03-19 18:17:26
    Did the fact that, up to that point, no one knew having too many sockpuppets was even against the rules come up at all?
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    I think that was why there was so little discussion of it, because it was understood that Tnoph couldn't possibly have known that a rule had been broken.

    At that time, the sockpuppet limit was way, way more than ten, and I think Fast Eddie just couldn't conceive of any reason why anyone would want so many sockpuppets unless they were trying to ban evade.
  • DebossDeboss
    Hm, perhaps you should get a pm every time you get a post thumped?  Should help clear up the "you're being a dick, here's what we don't want you to do" thing.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    I get sort of scared every time I get a PM.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited 2012-07-22 18:01:27

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  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    edited 2011-03-19 18:39:51
    Because you never know what you might see.
    @Deboss: There was a recent discussion to that effect in Hollers, actually, in response to Vandro's ban.  Some of the mods have been doing just that, but some of us have been less consistent about that, sending PMs only when a serious rules violation like a personal attack has been made. >_>

    I agree that it's a good idea, and one which we probably should all have followed since the start.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2011-03-19 18:40:08
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    @Deboss:That would be a very good idea.
  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    It would have been nice.
  • RocketDudeRocketDude
    Poot dispenser here
    @Khwar, Deboss: You know, I'm surprised that we don't have something (semi-)automated in place for that yet. I mean, we have stuff like the Day tracker in YKTTW and the Expiry Bot in Image Pickin' and TRS, we should have something like that.
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Nah.  Eddie did propose an automated PM message for use as a ban warning at one point, but the rest of us were against it so it was never used.  Thing is, when we deliver ban warnings, we tend to modify them to suit the situation and the person we're talking to, and sometimes they'll reply with a request for clarification or to complain or whatever.  It's something that really demands some thought and some actual communication, I think.
  • snowbullsnowbull
    edited 2011-03-19 23:42:53
    Cue-bey
    "actual communication"

    -sputter-

    :P
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    Because you never know what you might see.
    Yeah, sorry.

    I just don't know what happened there, man.  I'm sorry.  I really don't know.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    We need a list of infractions attached to our handle so we can look at what we've done wrong, with mod notes on it.

    It wouldn't be a brag board since only you could see it, like the Sockpuppet Checker, and you could keep track of how many times you were thumped by a mod or warned, that way people can't go "I didn't know I was being rude!" or have no idea how to find out what is wrong and what not and keep track of it. The mods can look at the list and comment on it too.
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