Rape fetishism

RedEyedAbyss

That and he would not. Shut. Up. About it.

gentlemanorcus

^ That too. But that's more his persecution complex.

Chagen is pretty much an example of how to handle outlandish fetishes completely wrong. He talked about them a lot, tried to act as though they were completely normal even though many people, even in Fetishes, were disgusted, and then got really defensive and started whining about how nobody could accept his fetishes.

We should probably get off the subject before this thread gets locked.

Malkavian

Well, normal isn't a word I'd use but like I said there is psychological background to things like fetishes.

I'm not going to for a second pretend that my glee in slasher movies doesn't come from a dark place.

gentlemanorcus

Maybe I stated wrong. I'm not trying to say the person isn't normal, just that their fetish isn't. 

Malkavian

Yeah, but how would you define a normal fetish? 

Lisztening

Perhaps ones that don't relate overtly to criminal activities?

ClockworkUniverse

Aren't fetishes definitionally not normal?

gentlemanorcus

Perhaps ones that don't relate overtly to criminal activities?

Pretty much that. Furries are okay, but bestiality isn't.

glennmagusharvey

^ Well, that depends on how you define norms.

^^^ "I have a grand larceny fetish" LOL

> Thus, appendixes, and the survival of malign genetic traits such as poor eyesight.
The former has not yet appeared in fanservice and H-games, but the latter is apparently now a genetic trait survival promoter among some people.

Malkavian

Paying someone for pizza with sex is a criminal activity, but I wouldn't call that fantasy all that weird.  

To say one fetish is totally normal and one isn't is kind of silly, especially since different reasons for liking the same thing.

Bee

I read that as sex with pizza, and then thought of Bloodninja.

gentlemanorcus

Paying someone for pizza with sex is a criminal activity, but I wouldn't call that fantasy all that weird.

I don't think that counts as a fetish.

MillerCross

Why not?

I mean, a fetish is just a fixation. It can be anything. Even something as wildly impossible as having sex in a trash can in the middle of the amazon forest with a midget, an indian (As in, from india) and a blonde cosplaying as Batman.

glennmagusharvey

^ I hope that does not come from experience. :P

gentlemanorcus

^^ Defintion of fetish, from the Merrian-Webster website:

c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression

So no, that wouldn't be a fetish.

MillerCross

Notice that under that definition, rape fetishism wouldn't be the matter of discussion.

^ I hope that does not come from experience. :P

Don't judge me, man >:C

glennmagusharvey

I think that's the strict psychological definition of "fetish".

The common usage of "fetish" is actually covered by the term "paraphilia", I think.

Malkavian

Right, I talk about having a Yandere fetish, but if I actually needed a psychotically clingy girl to get it up... well, I probably wouldn't be breathing.

MillerCross

yup yup. However, most people don't use the term paraphillia because it's normally used as an umbrella term for the "classified" ones, so to speak, so stuff like rape fetishism (Which would only fall within the masochism paraphillia) which doesn't have a name per se, has to be called something like that in order to be discussed.

gentlemanorcus

If what is considered fetishism in the common mind is more described by the word paraphilia, my definiton still stands. It is defined as "A condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities." Trading pizza for sex doesn't fit into that. 

Copy pasted from Wikipedia:

American Journal of Psychiatry^[11] describes paraphilia as "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors generally involving:

1. Non-human objects
2. The suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner
3. Children
4. Non-consenting persons

So that fits bestiality, rape, and pedophilia, among other things.

Malkavian

Then the point of there being no such thing as a normal fetish stands and this conversation is getting, dare I say it, spergy. 

The point is that judging someone's fetish as 'weird' or 'wrong' is dumb. What should be judged is how they deal with the fetish in the context of other people.

glennmagusharvey

> The point is that judging someone's fetish as 'weird' or 'wrong' is dumb.

Precisely.  Because they are all weird and wrong in their own special way.  Well, weird at least; wrong is a judgement call.

MillerCross

 "A condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities." 

Trading pizza for sex doesn't fit into that. 

Still counts as prostitution, which is illegal, therefore dangerous. I think. Depends on your state's (or country's) constitution (I think it's illegal in Colombia, fwiw)

 As for AJP's definition of the term, notice the generally. The most important part in there is "Fantasies, sexual urges and behaviours". Basically, anything can fall under that purview. It's just that some get classifications because nobody is gonna report having, say, a fetish for getting paid by check or some ultra bizarre shit.

My point is, simply, that if you feel a sexual fixation towards something, but because it doesn't fall under the common objects of fetishisation, does that make it less of a sexual fixation?

gentlemanorcus

What I'm saying when I say some fetishes are "outlandish" is how they are perceived in the general consciousness. Tell your friends you're into rape, and unless they share your fetishes, there are going to be some raised eyebrows, at least. What the public conciousness considers "outlandish" can be covered by the definition of "paraphilia" in my last post.

Malkavian

Everything that isn't missionary position sex is considered outlandish. Let's not kid ourselves.

gentlemanorcus

The point I'm trying to make is that for the most part, yes, I'm okay with people getting off on rape and pedophilia, as long as they don't act on it in real life, and as long as they realize that much of the public perceives it as "wrong" (note I didn't say the fetish itself was wrong, it's just how its perceived). 

^ -lives in Virginia, and thus is below the age of consent (which is 18)-

So yeah, can't really talk about that.

TheConductor

-has a fetish for he and his partner dressing as superheros, usually Batman/Catwoman or Spider-Man/Black Cat-

Katrika

But paraphilia would also include BDSM, then, which places high emphasis in being safe, sane, and consensual.

Gelzo

^While that's often the case, the definition of BDSM doesn't necessarily require all those things as far as I know. A school of a martial art could teach discipline, but if I karate kick a baby, that doesn't mean it isn't karate.

MillerCross

Indeed. Taking pleasure on other people's pain doesn't preclude respecting said people's well being.

It doesn't exclude it as well.

Which is basically the whole thing, really. Things are not bad, it's the people who perform bad acts.