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It should be more if the person starts masturbating to a video if what they know is real rape that is worrying, not necessarily if their brain finds it arousing anyways
Yeah, Icalasari. Umm, it depends how you mean that. Like, uhm, if you KNOW that a video is of real rape... You shouldn't find it arousing. Because that's a sign that you can't differentiate fiction from reality.
Cakman - Two points:-
1. Saying "don't make fun of my fetish without warrant" implies you think there might be circumstances in which making fun of it is justifed. What would those be?
2.Are you suggesting that no-one should ever discuss the matter at all because you or others who like it might be offended ? I assume you're not, but the stuff about "don't make threads about it" sounds like that. Surely you can't insist on the right to dictate the terms of what get discussed like that. Ultimately, only admins/mods get to do that.
The person can react differently, but I'm fairly certain that the initial reaction of the brain is going to be, "Oh hey, rape! You like that, right?"
^^ I mean the initial reaction. Your body may start getting geared up while you're going, "What? No! Cut it out this is real!"
Not saying that the person won't be disgusted. Just that the brain may go, "You like that, right?"
No. Not at all. Errm, well... Were you guys here for the, erm, "incident" last week? That was what I was referencing.
Basically, to sum it up, one troper made a thread on tv tropes criticizing the fetish, specifically stating that the people who had it were "abominations." AHR came over here to talk about the frustration she was having, had her thread deleted, made another, similar one, had that one deleted, then went a tad crazy and told the mod to ban her. Then I was banned, as I had posted AHR apologizing to IJBM over aim. That was what I meant by "threads should not be made about it." No, this thread is fine, because it's a legitimate discussion.
Speaking for myself (I would assume my wife would feel the same way, though I've never asked her about it), I have never read an account of real-life rape and gotten aroused by it. I've only ever felt empathy for the victim, and disgust for the perpetrator. I think it's that empathy that makes the thought of ever raping someone or being raped in real life horrifying. Of course, this is anecdotal, so I don't have any idea if my feelings on it are representative of others with the same kink.
I'm really not sure how much detail I should go into due to the controversial nature of the topic, so for now I'll leave it at that. If anyone has any specific questions, though, feel free to ask.
Again, I've already said I get off on rape (slightly, among other things) and stories of actual rapes just disgust me.
On the other hand, I've seen, for example, misogynists listing things they'd like to do to women, and thought "you're an awful person but that sounds SO HOT".
Please don't overreact.
> Man, I really shouldn't be typing this post in the middle of my Women in
American Literature class. The person next to me caught a glimpse of
the thread title, and is looking at me very oddly.
If you're in class, you shouldn't even be anywhere near this entire website, let alone this thread.
> Do not ridicule my fetish without warrant. If you don't like porn, don't
read/look at it. Don't make threads about it. Don't talk about it in an
open forum.
Uh, no. This is a website for openly discussing things meaningfully. Don't ridicule it, fine. But we are not going to stop talking about a certain topic merely because it makes some people feel uncomfortable.
Cakman> If you can watch an ACTUAL video of rape, and find that attractive, then you have a problem.
Icalasari> On the finding an actual rape arousing = You're a freak: The brain is
stupid. It won't care if what you're watching is real or fake
Cakman> it depends how you mean that. Like, uhm, if you KNOW that a video is of
real rape... You shouldn't find it arousing. Because that's a sign that
you can't differentiate fiction from reality.
It's more complicated than that. "The brain" is not a monolithic entity. You have basal biological desires and their perversions, which are one thing, and then you have higher brain functions, which are another. They can and do influence each other. One can override the other; which one does depends on the person.
> my wife and I both have an NC-sex kink.
Who's North Carolina, and is the partner Virginia, South Carolina, Tennessee, or Georgia?
> The people in this thread make me feel much happier.
Good to know.
Then again, being that I live in South Carolina and am just a stone's throw from the North Carolina border, this has great state-play fanfic potential. =P
@Glenn
The women's lit class line was a joke. I tend to mix (what I like to think of as) humor throughout my posts. I was in class, but no one was looking at my laptop.
And I apologize if I sounded defensive about the fetish thing, but read my follow-up to it. I was not implying that this thread should not be here. Like, at all. My original problem stemmed from threads like this getting DELETED. I was specifically referring to an incident that occurred a week ago.
As for the brain thing, true, true. But there is a problem if you can look at a video of a person ACTUALLY being raped and think that it is hot. Because you NEED to be able to separate the two. If you do find something attractive despite it actually being rape, then you do have a problem. If you find actual rape to be appealing, THAT'S BAD. Now, with that said, if it ISN'T real, all bets are off, go for it. Rapelay the night away.
Once again, I apologize. I really should have considered the fact that most people weren't online at midnight a few weeks ago. I was addressing everyone as though they had been here, and I should have specified that. I wasn't really angry, to be honest- just self-defensive, which, I admit, not only did I not need to be, but I can also completely understand why you thought I was angry. Admitedly though, the big reason I was self-defensive was because of Everest's "it will be okay as long as AHR and Cakman aren't here" post. That left me a tad... Bitter, in all honesty. But I understand what he meant, to some extent.
That was my first post (apart from the emoticon) since I had been unbanned from that night, so you can understand my rationale.
So yeah. My bad.
On that note: To be honest, porn in which the victim, or the rapie, begins to be all-out enjoying it in the middle of it never really appeals to me. Not, as was suggested, because of how disturbing it is, but because of how scenario-breaking and unrealistic it is. Not that I don't mind the victim enjoying it, but if they do, I'd prefer they be ashamed of it and whatnot. Psychological angst is great in these scenarios.
Re the comments about "watching real rape" - even on the Internet, is that really possible, outside of child porn which by definition is always rape? Are there really people out there posting their latest rape on YouTube or whatever? It sounds crazy.
Surely, unless you're a police officer who gets the dubious honour of watching Mr Psycho Killer's video stash, all you can see is porn or other fictional rapes. I would also add that serious psychological angst, even though entirely appropriate here, is not something I would want in porn. They should leave that to fucking Kafka.
The idea is that the participants are enjoying it, however faked that may be.
Well, for anyone who has ever browsed on, say... Any one of the many porn chans, there is a numerous amount of videos of dubious fakeness. As well as anyone who has taken the time to visit the Onion Wiki via tor.
-cough- Just, you know. Theoretically speaking.