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No, because I had no idea what Nakama, Tsundere, Moe, and so on meant before I got to TV Tropes. When I saw them in use, I wondered what they meant. I wasn't irritated, I was curious. So I looked at the pages, just briefly, and I learned. Then I knew. It wasn't difficult or inconvenient, and if it is for other people then I guess you're right, I do have trouble seeing it from their POV.
More people qualify as nerds than one might first think. Hell, I've met jocks who considered themselves nerds because of their interest in comic books and such.
Yeah, I don't understand how they think they're providing a service to authors. Authors have gotten along just fine for centuries, and have been using many of the tropes for centuries, without having a wiki about them. You don't need a wiki to know that sometimes it's interesting to turn a bad guy good or vice versa (Heel/Face, Face/Heel), or that you can make a new enemy seem tough by having her or him or it beat the crap out of the toughest SOB in the main cast of the story (The Worf Effect, currently on the way to being renamed much to my dismay), or that conflict is interesting and forcing people who don't get along to work as a team (Teeth Clenched Teamwork), etc.
Whether Fast Eddie and people who agree with him like it or not, I'm certain that the majority of readers of the site's content are fans. Some of those fans are authors, but I've never heard of an author consulting TV Tropes when creating a work. (The closest I've ever seen anybody come to that is the Comic Irregulars behind "Darths & Droids" linking to TV Tropes a number of times, but that wasn't to say "Hey, we got this idea from TV Tropes" so much as it's kind of a Shout Out to the wiki, like "Hey, check out this site, it's cool.")
That's another thing I don't get, because there's already a wiki for people who want serious stuff. It's called Wikipedia.
I can read about The Simpsons on Wikipedia if I want to, but it's not as much fun as reading about the show on TV Tropes. Which is what drew me to TV Tropes in the first place: it is more fun than Wikipedia. That is the hook, and instead of trying to file that hook down they ought to see it for what it is and use it.
You can be informative and funny/fun at the same time.
Loanwords change sometimes during the loan process.
Of course, Nakama isn't really a loanword anyway, so this arguement is moot.
"I find Wikipedia's deadpan humor and stealthy jokes far more interesting that TvT's attempts at humor."
Wikipedia has those things? I never noticed them
inb4 Spanish Wikipedia has those things and English one doesn'tLitzt, Counter, AHR, and Forz and the like....your kind doesn't show up
on most forums. I've never seen people as intelligent and eloquent as
you guys before. I mean that seriously
Aww, thanks for the compliments! (I'm being honest and frank, not sarcastic.) Good to know that we're a community that fosters intelligent conversation.
I don't think people's apparent intelligence is so much related to their actual intelligence as it is to the atmosphere and customs of a community.
As for another point...
But the renames proposed actually would tend toward increased, rather than decreased, intellectualism. For example, which one sounds more ivory-tower-ish and stuffy, "ho yay" or "homoerotic subtext"?
pattern recognition, problem solving aptitude, and understanding of
abstract concepts. Not anything that requires learned information or
skills.
Though they still DO require some amount of foreknowledge of how things work. Such as, obviously, knowledge of the language the test is given in, unless you can design a language-free test.
> The majority of the time I doubt this is true. I mean, I'm trying to
imagine how somebody would just quit TV Tropes because some trope names
sounded weird to them, and I can't.
I don't think the problem is that people will quit TV Tropes; it's that new people are less likely to join.
> I'm certain that the majority of readers of the site's content are fans.
Definitely VERY, VERY true.
> Th thing about Ho Yay is that the name implies many things that I'd say
are wrong for the trope to imply, like the implication that there's
something inherently good to Homoerotical Subtext, when it's just
another writing thing.
Yeah, I don't get the "yay" part. Of that or "foe yay" either.
> Glenn: Intelligence =/= Being a snobby Ivory Tower Twat
I know, but my point is that the less informal-sounding name is less likely to attract stupid visitors who would tend toward youtube-comment-quality contributions.
The author portrays as good.
Or:
A part of the audience thinks is good.
It's not for any kind of homoerotic subtext.
I have mixed feelings about renaming Ho Yay. On the one hand, I can't claim that when I first went on TVT the meaning was obvious; on the other, there is getting to be a rather depressing pattern of clunking literalism in naming that slowly helps suck the fun out of things as surely as a bunch of guys on SA claiming that "All tropers are autistic paedophile racists who never leave their bedrooms and can't write for toffee."
On the intelligence point, my personal view is that IQ tests are questionable as measures of intelligence and grades only really matter when you get your first job. After a while working, people are basically interested in your experience and personality (although that mostly means not being a complete jerk and being able to work with others, not necessarily being a talkative, extrovert type).
This. Or for a different wording, I did dislike them, but I accepted them for that reason.
I never liked names where the joke is that it's a reference to a work and nothing more, though.
@Intelligence:
People in real life say I'm smart, too, which as I guess you can figure out is not true.
-Foe Yay (mentioned earlier in the thread)
-No Yay
-Faux Yay
-Three Yay
And there are probably still more. Ho Yay has children!
was obvious; on the other, there is getting to be a rather depressing
pattern of clunking literalism in naming that slowly helps suck the fun
out of things as surely as a bunch of guys on SA claiming that "All
tropers are autistic paedophile racists who never leave their bedrooms
and can't write for toffee."
Well, isn't that last bit true?
Whoever came up with Ho Yay in the first place needs to explain it.
renamed, then it'll mean a lot of additional work because you'd need to
think up alternate names for the following as well:
Not quite, I'd say. You could keep those names while changing their parent name.
> And I guess it stuck because five letters are easier to type than either
of the words making up "homoerotic subtext", let alone the entire
phrase.
THIS is the most convincing argument to keep that I've heard so far in this thread. And how significant this is depends on how iconic it has already become.
^ You say that as though it would be a bad thing...