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The conclusion of the knight vs. samurai debate.

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  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    The katana deforms and bends.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    But then which one broke the first time?

    And of course the katana broke- I'm fairly sure they're cutting weapons, not slashing/hacking weapons.
  • You can change. You can.
    The Katana bent. Which means that such a weapon couldn't be useful in a defense context, such as using it against someone who has either another katana or a longsword. Of course, I'm fairly sure that using a Katana requires a different set of skills and mentality than using a longsword.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Note that it was the edge of the blade that was hit in both cases though. That's just a bad idea full stop. Blocking with the edge is a different story.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Katana and longsword are extremely similar offensively, but with a katana, blade-on-blade contact is exclusively edge-to-flat.

    With longsword, your strike is your parry. If you must parry defensively, then the flat is better (you might notice a nick in the blade of the longsword in that gif), but ideally you meet a strike with another strike. Edge-to-edge combat and contact is a fundamental element of European fencing.
  • What the fuck?

    That isn't any kind of shit a Samurai would wear. Nor is that how...

    wow, just, fuck that video.
  • Electric Boogaloo
    Madass Alex: Fuck yeah. I've been sayin' it for years.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Don't get me wrong, the katana is a brilliant weapon. Any well-made sword that's optimised for two-handed use is absolutely golden in my eyes.

    But some myths need to be purged with steel.
  • Electric Boogaloo
    I'm also a fan of Katanas. I just hate the clearly ridiculous bullshit people think it's capable of.
  • edited 2011-08-30 11:45:09
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    KATANAS CAN CUT GLASS AND METAL GAIZ THE SAMURAI SHARK IS PROOF OF THAT


  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    SAMURAI SHARK


    THE WORLD IS DOOMED
  • Gun vs Sword.  But splitting the bullet would mean the wielder of the sword could be hit twice by one shot.

    Against more modern military weapons a sword user wouldn't stand a chance.

  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
  • Electric Boogaloo
    ^^In the Ma Deuce video, am I the only one that noticed the Van Helsing soundtrack?
  • ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    Knight would probably win; full body armor isn't just for show, after all.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    No, but the samurai aren't exactly unarmoured themselves, and they would often wield a Kanabo.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    The various samurai armours have more weak points in them than plate, though.

    Although it's far from a done match. I'd say the knight has a bit of an advantage, given that the gaps in samurai armour are generally easier to get to; the knight has the option of wielding his weapons as per normal while the samurai has to win by submission and then finish the knight while he's down.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Samurai have a dedicated armour-crushing weapon with the Kanabo though.
  • Electric Boogaloo
    The Kanabo is just a mace/spiked club. Knights fought against weapons like that all the time.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Yeah. They're still effective weapons against armoured opponents, though. There is a reason they fought against them so much.
  • Electric Boogaloo
    A shield kind of works wonders, though.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Yeah, but that only really helps when the knight carried a shield. Knights often gave up the shield starting... I'm having a hard time pinning down exactly when, but it was sometime between the 14th and 16th century as far as I can find, in favour of full plate armour, apparently.
  • Alex would know when.
  • edited 2011-09-01 01:16:52
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Knights probably wouldn't think to bring shields, since plate armour rendered them essentially obsolete. Against that kind of weapon, they're likely to employ maces and warhammers to even the playing field or flip their longswords and use them as blunt weapons.

    I don't know what kind of teachings there are for the kanabo, but a flipped longsword held along the blade is a pretty awesome blunt weapon. It has range, power, control, hooking ability and all the standard longsword teachings apply to it.

    EDIT: Shield combat is actually never taught in the combat manuals, as far as my experience goes. There's plenty of buckler teachings and then there's some much later Scottish teachings for round shields, but full-sized shields in the context of war disappear when the longsword becomes more standard-issue for knights. I think some editions of the Talhoffer combat manual might include shield teachings, but those are strictly for judicial combat.

    Since the earliest manual is dated around the 1380s, which comes directly from a student of Liechtenauer, we can tell that shields fell out of favour for German knights at the very least by the mid 14th century at the latest. This is also a time when "transition plate" became a type of armour, which was essentially chainmail reinforced by plates at strategic locations. Transition plate armour had become proper early plate armour by the latter part of the 14th century. Between the protective power of this plate and the offensive might that two-handed weapons such as the longsword could contribute, shields were mostly phased out of knightly combat.
  • edited 2011-09-01 01:11:33
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Silly Counterclock, swords are not shields.

    ^ god damn you
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Knights probably wouldn't think to bring shields, since plate armour rendered them essentially obsolete. Against that kind of weapon, they're likely to employ maces and warhammers to even the playing field or flip their longswords and use them as blunt weapons. 

    See :3

    I don't know what kind of teachings there are for the kanabo, but a flipped longsword held along the blade is a pretty awesome blunt weapon. It has range, power, control, hooking ability and all the standard longsword teachings apply to it. 

    No, the fighting styles would be quite different than regular longsword teachings.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    The fighting manuals say otherwise, and I've tested these methods.

    All the same rules, conventions and systems apply. You simply deal a different kind of damage and can hook objects (and, in turn, are vulnerable to having your sword hooked). The longsword's versatility means it's based on a system that resembles staff just as much as it resembles sword. That works wonders for everything, including blunt weapons.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    You are not the only one to have tested them, although I will be the first to admit my sword was not exactly brilliantly made.

    I found that having the weight of the hilt at the other end of the weapon threw me off, and I had a lot of trouble trying to flow into guards. People also kept thwacking my fingers.

    I guess that may have just been because my sword was low-quality though.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Axes.
  • edited 2011-09-01 01:27:40
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Axes are quite difficult to wield properly in combat, being really heavy.

    I am not exactly an expert though.
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