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I am not ready to quit TV Tropes yet
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I mean, asking somebody to not speak up? Seriously?
Also, the ratio has dropped to 2.05. Fuck fuck fuck...
there is no hope for us any longer
/wrists
The pro-deletion side had put a lot of effort into showing that the new system doesn't work. The pro-TT side hasn't done much more than say "nuh-uh."
The thing we got to do is convince others, not why Troper Tales is bad, but why it would be better off not being on TV Tropes. If we let the bad argumenters continue spewing bile, insults and generalized hatred every moment they can, it's going to make the entireity of the anti-TT group look like haters or elitists.
As Scrye once brought up, it's hard to support something you like when others are encouraging very disapprovable behavior and making the group as a whole look like shit-eating bile-loving morons. The least the anti-TT-group could do is understand that if you generalize all of the Troper Tales editors as morons or making the wrong decision, they are going to IGNORE you and cast their vote against you solely because you are putting up enemy flags, and no matter what kind of good argument you make, they will ignore it because in their heads you are an asshole.
There are a few people who aren't sure about the TT debate that haven't voted yet, and I doubt the entire wiki has come to a final consensus yet. There are fencesitters or pre-occupied/internetless people out there that could boost the ratio, and the best way to do that is encourage others to vote against keeping TT, but let them know it isn't some kind of antagonistic mission to erase shit you don't like and gravedance on those who did. You have to let them know, and convince them that it's best if TT isn't part of the wiki anymore.
You can't do this by pointing out and mocking bad examples.
You can't do this by calling TT supporters fucking morons.
You can't do this by letting others distort this into a personal attack campaign or a dissing fit.
If you care about removing TT that badly, then make sure that you can get people to agree with you. It's hard agreeing with a giant menagerie of assholes, even if they have good points. It's easier to agree with a group of people with good points who aren't assholes too.
If someone won't change their mind, move on to the next person. If somebody is being stupid and ignoring good arguments, move on to the next person. Don't chase after and pursue the people who won't change the vote no matter what.
If you are going to give up on trying to accomplish this because you are afraid of being disappointed, or because "it's not worth it and we aren't going to win" then stop posting until it's over. Nobody needs to hear about it. Yes, you can let the sunk cost fallacy etch in your mind all you want, but it isn't going to make you feel any better when you realize you aren't losing anything by losing but a future of Troper Taleless internet enjoyment.
Stop being down and thinking nothing will change, because with that attitude, nothing will.
There is plenty of days left for a turn-around, and plenty of reasons to still have hope.
It's not like you can't change your vote once you put it in.
I know the internet is infested with people with no confidence who are ready to give up and cuss at each other every second they have, but the least you could do now, is keep calm and strive to try and make your mission succeed regardless of the possibility of failure.
Try being confident in what you are doing, just for a few more days. That's all it takes.
You can be a meta-aware cynical fuckwad later.
You can snark and throw internet fits later.
You can give up on humanity and break pencils later.
You can cry sum moar later, and be mad bro later,
Just for now though, let's try to get Troper Tales off the main site how ever we can.
And that there's at least one person who actually agrees that TT probably should go because it's not working, but is stuck wishing people would stop shooting the message enough to make her want to disagree anyway.
I do kind of hope that in the event that deletion does not win, people will not just leave the forum because of it. I say that partially because earlier even the idea of Troper Tales deletion coming up for a single proposition vote seemed to be quite unlikely and partly because I think that if the Nakama rename is any indication, opinions can change. Basically, if you really want Troper Tales to be deleted, then I believe that it would be regrettable to walk away from the progress that has been made.
I also think I kind of understand how some people would want to keep Troper Tales so I think it is inappropriate to pick on them, either here on in the TV Tropes thread itself.
...... is a fucking war vetran by now. He gets to stay home and rant
about us and our unmanly fighing ways by now. It's his hard earned right
if he so desires.
I apologize if I was unclear. I do not mean to say that people here have generally been directly belittling supporters of Troper Tales. I guess part of the reason I made that comment was because of my interpretation of the tone of some posts here and on TV Tropes and partly I said that as a bit of a preemptive measure.
economic administrators don't know what the fuck they are doing and it's
like they don't care. All of my hard work, contributions and
measurements get wasted by idiots who keep dumping things where they
don't belong, and everyone has their own misguided opinion on what is
the best thing to invest in. Bad stock market actions reflect on all of
us who do it poorly, and they think we all act and look the same as the
pedophiles and creeps who do the same thing. If they don't fix this shit
soon I am leaving Wall Street.
This is win.
> [Vorpy's post]
This is epic win.
You should post it in the thread itself, assuming it doesn't count as im/ex drama/wars.