TV Tropes - Enforced Crapsaccharine World

Vorpy

Yes, because an administrative policy to let people know that stupid shit is discouraged from being posted on the wiki and is free to be removed is fair.

You CAN read stupid shit, you CAN write stupid shit, and others CAN delete stupid shit.

Turtle

But there you go again assuming that all complaints are stupid.

Chagen

Everyone here is assuming that they are right.

You're not. None of us are right.

Vorpy

So you think stupid shit = legitimate complaining? Okay. I will delete that too, since the law of subjectivity rules all.

DYRE

Obviously people are going to assume they're right.  If they didn't, we wouldn't have a discussion.

And also saying "None of us are right" is silly, especially after your first sentence.

GLORIOUSLeader

^^^^^^^ Oh dear God is that one annoying. Second leading cause of Trope Decay just happens to be assholes potholing to the wrong trope even though they know it's the wrong trope. 

snowbull

Can I be reminded in what context there should even be complaining? I mean, TvTropes' writing quality aside, isn't it to document stuff in fiction, not your opinions on it? Hell, that wasn't even the point of the IJBM pages. I mean, if you want to complain, why not just do that somewhere else?

Why not do that here?

Turtle

I don't see SugarWiki seeing the Fight Club treatment, unlike DarthWiki.

This isn't about not wanting opinions.

This is about shying away from those pesky negative opinions - the ones that are more likely to be offensive to wimps who can't handle them.

Chagen

DYRE: What I mean is that everyone is assuming that the entire wiki userbase thinks like them. When they clearly don't.

DYRE

^^ Again, there's a reason SugarWiki isn't part of the main wiki.

The thing is though, gushing is a lot less likely to attract flamewars than complaining, and the moderators (and most of the readers) definitely do not want flamewars.  So gushing, while not really something that should be on the wiki either, is tolerated more just because it's relatively harmless.

GLORIOUSLeader

^^No, silly Chagen, the wiki is a hivemind.

ASSIMILATE WITH THE BORG. 

^ Gushing is also more boring than complaining, so less people are on the Sugar Wiki than Darth Wiki. 

Vorpy

Because TV Tropes is the perfect place for fan haters, fan wankers and mr. krabs haters to express themselves on a wiki. It houses opinions on a page for everyone to see, which most wikis do not do because opinions are garbage (subjective) subjective. What better place to complain about shit YOU don't like than on a wiki that invites it indirectly? Generally though, nobody likes fan wankers, fan haters and mr. krabs haters anyway and they don't have anything important to add other than reasons they hate something.

Turtle

I'm sorely tempted to start a few flamewars on SugarWiki through various aliases to get it relegated to the Phantom Zone, too.

Because seriously consistency is a good thing

Either cut the crap and nuke all audience reactions or just deal with the troublemakers instead of punishing the people who don't abuse the system.

Vorpy

^ (subjective)

You are just trying to come up with a reason to try to justify all of the complaining being removed, and that is not a good avenue to do that.

DYRE

They've tried just dealing with the troublemakers.  Which turned out to be way too much work, thus them doing what they're doing.

Turtle

I'd rather see the site go to Hell than see the site go to SugarHell.

Vorpy

Fast Eddie doesn't, and that is all that matters.

DYRE

^^ Well...

No.

Really, perhaps you should just leave the site.

inkblot

A lot of the people in TRS or Wiki Talk claim that they want to stamp out complaining because it attracts natter and flame wars. But sometimes it feels like they just don't like "negativity" on principle, and that they think criticism has no place on a wiki dedicated to storytelling. Shit like the "...It Sucks" pages don't help.

Turtle: DO EEET

Turtle

^^^That shouldn't be all that matters.

Vorpy

It's his site, and you don't have to post on it if you don't like his rules. I like having a place where I can inform people about things I've learned about Drawn Together, Powerpuff Girls, and Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, a nd Elfen Lied, and a place to like it without people being encouraged to get into my shit about it and remind me why it's so horrible and dumb and list off reasons why it will never be good to them.

DYRE

Well it's his site.  It's a bit odd to think that other people should have control of what is, ultimately, Fast Eddie's private property.

Hiveminded

Turtle

So basically he's conned every Troper into helping him with his own private project free of charge, while he still makes all the policies himself.  Aren't there... laws against that?

DYRE

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Vorpy

Nope, it's his property and the site goes by this.

It's not a private project if it's....you know...public and free to edit by anyone willing to make a handle?

It's like if I lent my notebook to people to use for their schoolwork. I said everyone can write in it, I just decide what you don't get to write, which is racism and hate speech. Say somebody is doing that, and I take the book away from them and tell them they are not allowed to do that. They can scream censorship all they want, but since the notebook belongs to me, I can decide that I don't want that shit in it. 

Turtle

*Reads link*

Yeah that still seems pretty one-sided and horrible.

Stormtroper

If I keep refreshing to reply to newer posts, I'll never get this done, so here it goes.

Turtle: DO EEET

Don't.

Anyhow, a wiki is also a community. This means tropers will want to complain/gush/whatever not because they want to be heard, but because they want to be heard by other tropers. Although it is obviously a problem if it's done in the mainspace, but in itself it is a good thing as it allows individuals to relate to each other, giving people an incentive to join, stay and, hey, even improve the wiki.

And since Vorpy is apparently being serious:

Well the Complainer IS always wrong because they don't run the site, or even edit the wiki judging from this thread.

That would mean that the complainer is always powerless to stop crap from happening, but it doesn't make them wrong.

It doesn't make them right either.

Correct, which coincidentally is what Turtle wasn't saying.

Somebody bring up the old SoBadItsHorrible/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike page.

That's a special case from an era of a very different TV Tropes, and you know it.

It's his site, and you don't have to post on it if you don't like his rules.

No, but s/he still can complain about it.

ninjaclown

This site is not an attempt to subvert the rules of the TV Tropes fora, is it?

Vorpy

It is actually.

ninjaclown

It is?
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