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  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    > historians
    > objective



    Perish the thought that someone might be able to conciously try to reconstruct the past as properly as possible. 

  • Meh, there will always be a certain amount of bias, because some parts of history will always be dependent on interpretation/standpoint no matter how much info you have. Vigorous debates like that are precisely what keeps the past alive, imho.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    Perish the thought that someone might be able to conciously try to reconstruct the past as properly as possible. 



    History is written by the victor. There are some things -- many things, probably -- that we'll never know the actual truth about. But the main point here is that historians aren't particularly known for being unbiased. Look at the 19th century glorification of the Middle Ages, and then the modern "dark and gritty" interpretation, both being stupid extremes that are often whole-heartedly adhered to.


    For another example, we believed that the non-Roman societies of European Classical Antiquity were savages for the longest time until some bright sparks played with the idea that they weren't, and that the same kind of assumptions and bias are what inform a large part of modern discrimination. So we can now tell that the Romans did some cool stuff and everything, but weren't in fact paragons of civilisation -- in fact, they were pretty discriminatory. 


    The sheer degree to which historians can get things wrong on the basis of assumption and personal bias is astounding, and there's no doubt there are still things we believe about the past entirely informed by modern biases. 

  • edited 2012-11-15 15:32:22
    Has friends besides tanks now

    Speaking of dumb things, I just watched Rubber. I don't quite know how to feel about it, but a lot of it was really boring, and I don't think it was as clever as it thought it was.

  • Champion of the Whales

    History is written by the victor.



    I know

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    they are sour and caustic


    there are two u's

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    pure fruit juice, milk and water all the way

    other carbonated drinks are decent (decent=1000x better than cola), but still


    YES

    > no cola

    > no tea

    > no coffee


    Tea is decent.  In fact, even unsweetened tea is nice sometimes, and strangely-sweetened tea can become totally stupid and absurd.

    Coffee, however, is just a bitter caffeine delivery vehicle.  There are better alternatives.

    I drink a shitload of water and have come to greatly appreciate the stuff (when refrigerated and chilled - regular, room-temp tap water is a different story) but goddamn give me a choice between water and coke and unless I've already had coke I'll pick coke every time.


    I love the taste of water, and don't like the taste of coke.

    I also drink a shitload of water.

    room temperature water is horrible and needs to die


    I boil the darn shit and then leave it to cool.

    Cola and tea are the nectars of the gods. This is objective fact. :|


    Tea may be.

    It's weird seeing them called "cola". We call them soft drinks here - as opposed to the hard drinks which we Aussies have replaced our blood with.


    Well, by "cola" I'm specifically referring to the Coca-Cola/Pepsi sort of drink.  Basically, a very acidic, caramel-colored, caffeine-containing, carbonated (i.e. "sparkling") drink.

    "Soft drinks" here refer to just any carbonated beverages, which are also sometimes called "soda" or "pop".

    Coke is great. Coke is life.

    Coke is the power that allowed me to stay up until 3-4 A.M and feel like a total fucking shithead after waking up and getting only 3 hours of sleep (20 minutes of REM sleep)


    drink Mountain Dew and Dr Pepper instead
    mountain pee is awesomely sweet and dr pepper is cherry flavored
    they're both better than drinking cans of acid

    root beer master race represent


    root beer is okay

    Mountain Dew >>>>>>> other sodas


    THANK YOU

    and Dr Pepper is the second-best





    The Nectar of the Gods is actually gutter water that has been stuck under fallen leaves for a few weeks. We just can't appreciate it because we aren't gods.

     

     

    Except Nohaynicklibre.


    This just in: Bastion is the main character of the world, but Nohaynicklibre is its god.

  • No, I am the god. It is I.



  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    History is written by the victor. There are some things -- many things, probably -- that we'll never know the actual truth about. But the main point here is that historians aren't particularly known for being unbiased. Look at the 19th century glorification of the Middle Ages, and then the modern "dark and gritty" interpretation, both being stupid extremes that are often whole-heartedly adhered to.


    For another example, we believed that the non-Roman societies of European Classical Antiquity were savages for the longest time until some bright sparks played with the idea that they weren't, and that the same kind of assumptions and bias are what inform a large part of modern discrimination. So we can now tell that the Romans did some cool stuff and everything, but weren't in fact paragons of civilisation -- in fact, they were pretty discriminatory. 


    The sheer degree to which historians can get things wrong on the basis of assumption and personal bias is astounding, and there's no doubt there are still things we believe about the past entirely informed by modern biases. 



    I am not keen on the idea that because history has been written by the victor for as humans have recorded history, it is necessarily the truth in a society that preaches freedom of speech and allows for the free transit of information coming from many sources, which while sometimes contradictory, allow for a grander view of the picture. To consider that history as a discipline is going to remain unchanged as society changes feels backswards to me or at least, pessimistic.

  • @Glenn:



    We can no longer be buddies. >:/
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Clockwork: That was cute and also that cop sucks at helping kids with math.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    I just realized the uselessness of gigantposting a reply to a transient conversation.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    I am not keen on the idea that because history has been written by the victor for as humans have recorded history, it is necessarily the truth in a society that preaches freedom of speech and allows for the free transit of information coming from many sources, which while sometimes contradictory, allow for a grander view of the picture. To consider that history as a discipline is going to remain unchanged as society changes feels backswards to me or at least, pessimistic.



    In essence, history as a discipline hasn't changed much over the millennia. It's still prone to propaganda and very personal interpretation, and we still often only get things from particular cherry-picked sources. And while history as a discipline has become more honest and objective, particularly over the course of the 20th century, that means nothing if its means of expression are still biased or have an agenda. What most people get is a form of popular history filtered through a number of different storytellers and mediums.


    Take the Cold War, for instance. Most people today still look at it through the auspice of ideological conflict between capitalism and communism, when the truth is that both sides were using similar economic frameworks. Only Latin America has an argument for adherence to actual communist or socialist ideals, but that Latin American optimism was still a tool of Soviet manipulations. Today, only Cuba still stands as a legitimately socialist state.  


    A change in historical understanding doesn't just depend on historians and institutions of education, but the way information is presented to the public at large. The old Cold War propaganda is still too useful for US political interests to actually give up, and even if the US tried to institute a widespread attempt at re-education on the era, plenty of people stuck in their ways with political ideals based on that conflict would refuse to accept it. Any initiative to ensure that history is understood more objectively is subject to interception by various forms of media, various ideologies, politics and regular, civilian-grade bias. It's a battle that can't be won without the cooperation of multiple outlets, but incorrect history makes too much money for this to change any time soon. 

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Internet connection is being absurdly slow -_-

  • edited 2012-11-15 22:14:51
    Has friends besides tanks now

    That awkward moment when, two months ago, I traded away a Magic card that's worth up to $100 now. (Foil Misty Rainforest)


    :(

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    ^^ Welcome to my life.
  • edited 2012-11-15 22:20:10
    smote

    All Nines: If it's any consolation, it was probably worth about the same two months ago.

  • edited 2012-11-15 22:24:42
    Has friends besides tanks now

    what the hell kinda consolation is that >:[


    On the plus side, I won five games in a row with Goblins, using the Dragon Shields that just came in.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Hell yeah, finally installed Illustrator on my current computer. One less reason to have to drag out the shitty old laptop.

  • a little muffled
    @Bastion: It probably wasn't, actually. Zendikar fetches made a big jump fairly recently.
  • Really? Huh. I would've thought they would've jumped right before RTR was released and all those shocklands came back.

  • a little muffled
    RTR came out less than two months ago already, but it was more recent than that.



    Keep in mind the formats where fetches are legal already had shcocklands.
  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    So I ended up watching Revenge in a sick daze.


    Main plot would be interesting if they bothered to mention what the protagonist was up to at least once in this episode. Also, way too many sideplots.


    And it's Ta-keda, not Ta-kay-da, the guy's right there pronouncing it right, show some respect.

  • edited 2012-11-16 10:53:41
    Definitely not gay.

    That and broken property isn't much of a problem when a eager to help dork with a magic hammer that fixes everything it hits will be there as fast as you can say pie.



    Fair enough, but there's also the getting thrown out of the window part.



    That people couldn't look at him and see any worth because he was stuck with the same stupid part, never able to look past "Wreck-It" and see "Ralph"?



    OK, maybe everyone else's treatment of Ralph was genuinely unwarranted. But there's still the fact that Hotel Manager Dude, who was the biggest jerk to Ralph, gets thrown out of the goddamn window every time.


    It's hard to respect a dude whose job it is to throw you out of buildings is my point.

  • edited 2012-11-16 12:12:18
    There is love everywhere, I already know

    So my favorite musician ever is back now. I don't know for how long or whatever*, but Arceus dangit Sakura Nagashi is the best song of the year.


    That's it. I can die happy now.


    *Apparently it's for one single since she's still on hiatus and she's a really big EVA fan so she'd never pass theme song performance up.


    They need to make 4.0 now.

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    I only had one class again, today. My Psych teacher got sick. -shrug-

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    it is 4AM and i am not tired


    i think i am becoming nocturnal

  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!

    better not become a stalker of the night nova


    because i will hunt you down


    i mean it

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    you will try


    you will fail

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