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And yes. EXPLAIN ABOUT LESBIANS. They are not mentioned and I feel this gives us females the right to be gay and act gay without fear. GOD SHOULD ACCEPT THAT HIS LAWS HAVE LOOP HOLES HONORABLY.
My job as a Christian though, is not to call people sinners. It's to give people the good news.
I like doing that, it doesn't involve stabbing people.
Also I have read the portions of the Bible relating to homosexuality or were interpreted as such. There seems to be no implication in regards to lesbians and they aren't mentioned at all directly. Also there is Ruth and Naomi who are totally gay for each other. PROOF THAT THE LOVE BETWEEN TWO WOMEN IS THE HOLIEST OF ALL BONDS.
Talk to a good pastor.
Anyhow, I need to go use my timeslot to watch a helping of anime, then sleep.
-tips hat-
^I never called you that, now did I? :P
I would research, but I need to be off.
V I figured as much, otherwise I would have heard about it by now.
bunglings, and so on would be a very good reason! And then there's the
issue of what is and isn't truly canon which no one seems to have
convincing enough reasons for.
Buddhist texts have these exact same issues though in much greater number (the Buddhist canons are quite a bit longer and can fill whole book cases) and they too I do not believe can be considered infallible. They were written by man.
^FUCK PAUL TO HELL AND BACK. Seriously God? Why him? Why not somebody who could write interesting shit? Call back the dude who wrote Exodus! PLEASE GOD.
And why do I enact on this, you ask? Because I live in a homophobic society I've had to suppress my feelings for years. After all the BS I've had to put up I'd like to finally be happy and date a boy. I'm not sure why happiness and love are bad things.
Also, you've overlooked the points about Christians cherry picking Leviticus. Eating shellfish is an abomination as well.
here. Like "join our Gay Agenda" recruitment. That's what I was
addressing in Anonym's post.
"@Anonym:
First of all, being gay is not a "lifestyle". I dislike that term a
lot...Second of all, nobody is going to try to make your child gay.
That's just silly, we're not trying to recruit anyone.
And why do
I enact on this, you ask? Because I live in a homophobic society I've
had to suppress my feelings for years. After all the BS I've had to put
up I'd like to finally be happy and date a boy. I'm not sure why
happiness and love are bad things.
Also, you've overlooked the points about Christians cherry picking Leviticus. Eating shellfish is an abomination as well."
Sorry if "lifestyle" offended you, I only used it as given the tension around it, it is something that seems like, I don't know if this would be the right word for it, but "culture". Kind of like how being African American is a "lifestyle". It's not that they decided to be black, but because of racism and heritage, it became something that they had to take special pride in.
As for the OT stuff, I could go on with this one for a while (the Bible is a pretty huge book after all), but that is explained in the NT, and is even the main subject of one of the epistles. Before anyone says that it's all contradictory, I'd like to ask you if a general can issue a new command. It may be appropriate for his army to go one way at first, but after a while another direction is issued. If the general's job consisted of saying one thing, then leaving the scene, he wouldn't be very good, now would he?
I'm sorry that I made you upset, but please understand that I'm fine with you, and thus far, I like you. I feel that the fact that you don't want to align with my beliefs is unfortunate, but they're my beliefs, so of course I would feel that way. I'd be perfectly content having a cup of tea with you and playing chess, you know? I don't believe that it is within my given right to try and interfere with your life, or harass you until you agree. I'll pray, and that's where it ends.
Outside of this, I don't even notice when I speak to you.
"Oh
shit, you thought I was talking about you? That must have seemed rude. I
was talking about the pastor you suggested. Which, I think, is probably
a fair description even if the person in question is nice."
I said a "good pastor" didn't I? As in not the "bastard coated with bastardry" I mentioned earlier. I don't know how you came to this conclusion...
Sorry if I miss-communicated. I guess sturgeons law applies to churches too, so perhaps that didn't work out as advice anyhow.
"Not because it's the norm, but because they have notions that being gay
is unacceptable and fear people who are different from them. I'm sure
there has been at least one person who has had such a bad experience
with heterosexuals that they decide they're all bad."
To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard of someone genuinely disliking homosexuals for squicking them out or being "different". Or even this "homophobic" nonsense. The people who tout the idea that tormenting and shunning gays is a good idea have legitimately been misled into a religious reason for doing so. If there are people who actually are against gays because they creep them out, such people are probably very few.
Aon: Well, it would seem that I've met again someone who has had a bad experience
I'm truly sorry for whatever has happened to you, and I assure you that I could point to the Bible and show the people responsible that they are undoing Christ's good work. I can promise you that God is good, and that there is more to the Bible than you realize. I have nothing against you, and feel nothing but respect for you.
I believe God, and that he has control over his word. Perhaps there have been mistranslations, time has shown this to be true; however, God will not let his word die so easily. I believe his message is still in this world, no matter what happens to the scriptures.
You have truly taken everything very personally, and seem to view me as arrogant, that I'm thinking I'm superior. I think no such thing. I'm in a very fragile house right now, and cannot stand to throw a single stone safely.
If God is who he says he is, you believe wholeheartedly that you must stand up to him. But why is this needed? God, while displaying familiar emotions, is not a human being. Think about what his name "Yahweh" means. "I AM". That's it. Now take another look at the word "holy". Think about what that word means. While the first couple of definitions are clean and pure (and the such), one of the main definitions is "God-like". So God is holy. What does that mean? God is more of himself? All of his names seem to point to the idea that God just sort of "is". He's there, like a rock, a tree, or even gravity. All you can really do is align yourself with him. In a strange sort of way, it all even seems mechanical.
There is no reason to be upset about this. My job is simple, I relay what God says. It's clearly noted a plethora of times to do no harm. There are people who do so anyways, but I would rather that Christianity be associated with them. The parable, for example, where Jesus saves a woman from being stoned to death, by drawing a line in the sand and convicting the people tossing the stones. Pretty clear.
My little sister has a teacher who is gay. He's a pretty nice guy, and
an extremely good teacher. I trust him to take care of her; and if
anyone has seen the thread where I describe the horrific overprotective
rage I would go into to protect her from a rapist, the fact that I trust him says a lot.
"Yes, but we're talking about people supposedly trying to recruit kids
here. Like "join our Gay Agenda" recruitment. That's what I was
addressing in Anonym's post."
In case anyone missed it, I'm pretty sure that this doesn't happen ever. Though there are a few crazies out there, who knows?
It's important to remember that just because I disagree
with you doesn't mean I dislike you as a person. I apologize if I came
off that way.
Regarding your general analogy, it doesn't make
much sense if God is omniscient. If He is all knowing then why would He
change His teachings later on?
Also, every other passage about same-sex behavior is very vague. Romans 1 claims that God cursed people into having same-sex lust due to them worshiping other deities. Do you think that is applicable in the real world?
I also want to quickly mention that the Bible has been used to justify
many past social injustices: slavery, racism, sexism, persecution of
Jews, etc. I really don't think this is any different.
"To be honest, I don't think I've ever heard of someone
genuinely disliking homosexuals for squicking them out or being
"different". Or even this "homophobic" nonsense."
While religious motivation is a huge factor, you can't deny that people being grossed out by it is an additional reason why they are hateful. I've seen this justification plenty of times, including when I came out to my mom whose initial reaction was "Eww, disgusting!" That's not a lie. There are even atheists out there who are squicked by homosexuality, which is the main reason for their disgust and discrimination. They don't have much of a reason beyond that, but people like that tend to be somewhat uncommon anyway. Also, please define "'homophobic' nonsense".
A few of my friends I knew growing up had this happen to them. They rebelled accordingly, but after watching the news and reading at a few forums, this seems pretty common.