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Samus being a bounty hunter

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  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    I liked the suit as it was explained in Metroid Fusion.

    Something that is biologically connected with her,

    Do you have a problem with this Alex?
  • SaigyoujiSaigyouji
    But you never had any to begin with.
    They're inherent to human biology, meaning that the armour should never technically work.


    Well, it was designed by the Chozo, so they don't have to worry about human biology anyway, Samus is part Chozo herself, so...
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    I like the idea of her armour being somewhat symbiotic. It's a nice personal touch.

    As for Chozo biology, that's a new one to me. I thought she was essentially just human? The way I hear it, Chozo technologies were responsible for her recovery rather than literal genetic engineering.

    My favourite idea concerning her recovery is that the suit was originally unintended for combat, existing to allow not just for recovery, but physical rehabilitation. Its implied nonotechnical abilities would allow for later adaptions and eventually consummation of found and discovered technologies.
  • SaigyoujiSaigyouji
    But you never had any to begin with.
    She's enhanced by DNA from the Chozo Grey Voice.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Hm.

    In any case, internal biological reactions to violent conflict aren't unique to human beings. In fact, every complex organism has them. They're a way of burst-releasing energy in a tense moment, losing overall efficiency while gaining strength, speed and reaction time.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    edited 2011-09-27 12:31:55
    Belief
    ^^ Yeah, that's technically true from "Canon"

    But considering what else can technically be considered Canon, I think it's safe to say there are a few things that are disagreed upon.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    One thing I like about the series as it stands is that multiple canonical sources outright contradict one-another. The room for interpretation is immense, and I don't think there's just one, singular, monolithic origin story for Samus.

    (I personally prefer the idea of Samus as a regular human making the best of things; it kind of kills her position as a female gaming icon if she's superpowered and that's why she outdoes everyone else.)
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    One thing that just kind of hit me right now.

    the Japanese execs were immensely confused, because, in their view, bounty hunting is outside her code of ethics.

    Hear that children?  Bounty Hunting is bad, but Genocide against the metroids... a living species is awwwright.

    -_-
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    You say it as if Samus was the first morally good character who commits genocide

    I could name like a billlion and a half while sleeping.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    When it's outright stated by Execs for a reason against doing something, then it becomes an issue.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    It bears mentioning that in some (entirely fictional) scenarios, genocide is kinda justified. 

    I mean, what did Samus know about Metroids? For all she knew, they were WMDs disguised as jellyfish. And they kinda are, mind you.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    We can solve two problems by moving all the Metroids to Alaska, y'know.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    That's technically true, they are a dangerous species that were being used as weapons against the entire galaxy by the space pirates.

    But compared to wiping them all out, I don't think Bounty hunting is a bad thing.

    I mean honestly.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-09-27 12:45:46
    You can change. You can.
    welp, that isn't genocide-tastical at all.


    ^ So, lemme get this straight...you're saying that eliminating a new dangerous set of sentient WMDs is less ethical than killing criminals for money?
  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    Also, Moe Dantes is funny, the only games after super metroid are Fusion and Other M, Metroid Prime happens way before that.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I think he means in terms of release, rather than chronological order.
  • SaigyoujiSaigyouji
    But you never had any to begin with.
    The whole thing could have been solved if the Chozo had incorporated a killswitch in their X Parasite eating blobs of mass destruction.
  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    He didn't specify did he? Assumptions have no place when arguing.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    @Juan: Bounty Hunting has 2 aspects.

    Bringing in Criminals and Getting paid for it....

    Considering Samus' character is more aligned to bringing in criminals for the sake of peace itself, her getting paid for it is just an after-effect of this profession.

  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    My question, counterclock, what do you think we should do if jellyfish start attacking us and being a general murderous plague? Let them kill us? It's the same thing.
  • Trigger_LoadedTrigger_Loaded
    edited 2011-09-27 12:54:22
    Indeed, I suspect biggest reason people are up in arms about Other M isn't just the way it portrays Samus in that game, but the idea that this is how it was always supposed to be. The strong female character we've known for so many years was always co-dependent, craving attention from her Daddy-Surrogate Adam, and would never stoop to a career as low as bounty hunting. All backed and approved by one of the primary heads behind the entire series. We're so quick to call Personal Discontinuity on the game because of that.

    EDIT: Wow, this conversation moves fast.

    The above Genocide/Bounty Hunting argument reminds me of that quote. Kill a man, you're a murderer, kill a hundred, you're a war hero.

    Slaughtering hundreds of criminals and WMDs is okay, but doing it for money is beyond the pale, perhaps could be a better way of phrasing what I suspect Counterclock is trying to say.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    In context, killing an entire species on a remote-planet because of acts of terrorism committed by an entirely different group seems more ethical to you than rounding up criminals who are breaking the law and getting paid for it?
  • vandrovandro
    edited 2011-09-27 12:55:06
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    I dislike the characterization in it, but I don't dislike the game. And I am a canon whore, so...

    Ethical? Since when has survival been about being ethical? They are hazardous for most other species.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Bounty Hunting has 2 aspects.
    Bringing in Criminals and Getting paid for it....

    Considering Samus' character is more aligned to bringing in criminals for the sake of peace itself, her getting paid for it is just an after-effect of this profession. 


    A simple questioon: Throughout all the Metroid games, when has she ever arrested and brought somebody on as a captured criminal? When has it ever been her intended mission?

    Also, bounty hunting imply that she doesn't care about the target as long as there's money involved, and well, we know that's not true. She went into that space station in Metroid Fusion because she had been infected with the X and knew they were a threat, she went and exterminated the metroids in Metroid II for the same reason, etc etc.

    He didn't specify did he? Assumptions have no place when arguing.

    He said, and I quote.

    And I have trouble accepting anything as canon when I'm primarily familiar with the original installments and the additions came like twenty years later.

    This implies chronological order, see.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    edited 2011-09-27 12:56:29
    Belief
    On a remote-plant.

    @Juan: that's not a good argument and you know it.
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-09-27 12:57:50
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Which just makes it easier for evil types like space pirates to go round up some metroids and use them as weapons.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    edited 2011-09-27 12:57:25
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    ^^^^ They also lack any form of space travel.

    On the other hand, if the Pirates have them at the source, that's a much better justification for removal of the species.
  • vandrovandro
    He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.
    They lack space travel capabilities, but the space pirates who smuggle them don't.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    It really depends on how readily the Pirates can access them. Do they have such ultimate control that destruction of the species will end the threat for good, or do they capture them from numerous sources or raise their own?

    If they're doing the latter, Metroids themselves are beside the point. The Pirates have to be destroyed. Metroids are just the symptom.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    @Juan: that's not a good argument and you know it. 

    You know, it's much better when you actually explain things rather than just assume that I know I'm wrong based on your own flimsy beliefs.

    with that said, I need to go, so feel free to trash me via text while I'm out. --shrug--
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