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  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    No peeking
    What, you think I'd know about a TRPG system while not being in a game of it for several months and not know the GM-only rules? :P
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Speaking of which, do Phione count as Legendaries in this?

    Yes.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    edited 2011-12-23 01:49:04
    No rainbow star
    Alright then, so then how hard is it for a Ranger to befriend (give the Helpful title to) a legendary without getting mauled?

    Because then I see the loophole as:

    -Befriend the Legendary
    -Designate it as a companion
    -After a month together, do negotiations (it doesn't specify a difference with legendaries) for it to allow itself to be captured

    Then bam, Legendary on your team. That seems WAY too simple though so I'm wondering what the catch is

    EDIT: Sorry if it seems like I'm munchkining, but this just REALLY stood out to me
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Er, Ica, from the description I think the case is the origin of the blood trail. Like, something crashed into it and got cut up before heading toward the Gym. After that...

    -shrug-
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    ...Well then me and Charles are stupid :D
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Honestly I think the mechanics for legendaries should be 'fuck you that's how' and they should be uncatchable but I don't design the game so hush my mouth I suppose.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Well, Legendaries don't have to follow the normal rules. A Master Ball will capture them without fail, but otherwise, they are really hard to capture/befriend (Pretty much all Legendaries have a capture rate of 0.)

    And even if you did, a Pokemon who deems its' master as being unworthy of it don't have to obey their trainer's orders.

    Beyond even that, capturing many legendaries can upset the balance of nature.

    It's possible, of course, but for the most part, it's either Master Ball-ing it or having it happen via RP'ing :V
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    edited 2011-12-23 02:00:39
    No rainbow star
    ^^ It's canon that at least some legendaries are possible to capture, albeit with difficulty, for trainers other than the chosen one of the story (The regis are owned by the Pyramid King, a Regigigas is used by the Tower Tycoon, Heatran and the birds seem to be fairly common, at least two Manaphy eggs are found and sent to Sinnoh by Rangers...)

    ...Although I still don't get why a Frontier Brain is using a Pixie. The Pixies, from what I can tell of game lore, are supposed to be one of a kind

    ^ What does that mean for rangers though? Are befriend (restrain?) rates and capture rates the same?

    Basically I'm wondering if the people who made this game actually left a glaring loophole that makes Rangers able to capture Legendaries FAR easier than expected (because I really hope they didn't as that is just a poor show right there...)
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Now, out of curiousity, in this setting does Mewtwo's Island where he and the other pokeclones live exist?

    ....

    shut up.
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-12-23 02:00:40
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    but but but

    mewtwo doesn't live on the island anymore

    Didn't they all disperse to go live with the normal Pokemon at the end or something?

    And Mewtwo was chilling in some city or another.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    It's canon that at least some legendaries are possible to capture,
    albeit with difficulty, for trainers other than the chosen one of the
    story

    Yeah, it's possible to catch the low-tier ones, like the trio in D/P/P- Uxie, Azelf and that other one. Although even then, it's a really bad idea. High-tier ones, like Dialga and Palkia, are pretty much "Fuck you I'm a dragon" and won't let you touch them unless they want you to or you have an ace in the hole.

    It's really hard to capture a Legendary without a Master Ball, though, and those don't grow on apricorn trees.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I thought they still decided to live on the island but welcomed any pokemon who wanted to come in. 
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Now, out of curiousity, in this setting does Mewtwo's Island where he and the other pokeclones live exist?

    No.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    edited 2011-12-23 02:03:12
    No rainbow star
    ^^^ I'd expect that if somebody is trying to capture a high tier legendary in PTA, then they are stupid even if they have a Master Ball (because if they don't like the trainer, what's to stop them from killing the trainer as soon as they are let out?)

    Honestly, if I ever got a chance to capture a high tier legendary, it would probably be so that I could let it out of the ball right away and then keep the ball with me so only a Snagger could hope to capture it from that point on because messing with things such as Time and Space is... yeah
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    kay. =|
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I'd expect that if somebody is trying to capture a high tier legendary
    in PTA, then they are stupid even if they have a Master Ball (because if
    they don't like the trainer, what's to stop them from killing the
    trainer as soon as they are let out?)

    A few things. Master Balls don't work quite like regular Pokeballs.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    ^ You know, you still haven't said if there is a catch to trying to use a
    Styler to befriend a legendary, then make it a companion, then try to
    negotiate it into becoming an owned Pokemon



    ...Yes it's driving me nuts knowing that there may be a huge loophole there
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    You know, you still haven't said if there is a catch to trying to use a
    Styler to befriend a legendary, then make it a companion, then try to
    negotiate it into becoming an owned Pokemon

    To Restrain a Wild Pokemon, use 1 point of energy and roll 1d100. If the result is less than the pokemon’s Capture Rate, the pokemon is Restrained.

    (Pretty much all Legendaries have a capture rate of 0.)
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-12-23 02:14:20
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    @Ica: I think catching/permanently companionizing Legendaries is probably a bit much.  Any Cygan is GM, so she can bend the rules to close loopholes anyway.

    Ninjad.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    edited 2011-12-23 02:19:11
    No rainbow star
    ^^ Ah, good. I was pretty worried that there was a huge loophole (and I must have failed on my search fu in the Player handbook)

    EDIT: Ok, now it showed up when it didn't before (I must have been searching for restrained instead of restrain). I see a +25 there so that still makes a legendary capture somewhat less challenging for a Ranger (although since you didn't have +25, I'm guessing that that's either modified rules or else I have an outdated version, in which case woohoo my asking questions doesn't make me look stupid ^o.o^)
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Well, I'll be RP'ing all Legendaries anyway, and if I don't want the Legendaries to be caught, then regardless of what the rules say, they're not gonna be caught.

    "Maybe the one in the museum was just a replica, and Brock had the real
    one? They only realized after they'd broken in?  Or maybe Brock had
    something that they needed for... whatever the Stone does."

    Forzare, you're a smart cookie. One of these two options is correct.
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-12-23 02:19:13
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    the latter seeming to hold more credence than the latter.

    :V

    Forzare, you're a smart cookie. One of these two options is correct.

  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    D'oh! Fixed it! Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a-alcohol.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    edited 2011-12-23 02:21:00
    No rainbow star
    I'm assuming that it was a fake Enigma Stone in the museum. Museums often put fake displays up to protect the real stuff from being damaged (at least they do that with fossils, anyways), and the Enigma Stone didn't need anything extra to trigger it in the games if I recall

    EDIT: And sorry for being annoying, Cygan
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Ok, now it showed up when it didn't before (I must have been searching
    for restrained instead of restrain). I see a +25 there so that still
    makes a legendary capture somewhat less challenging for a Ranger

    Subtract 10 from your restrain roll. Once you successfully Restrain a pokemon, you may give it the Helpful title. Until this ally is attacked, severely distracted, or has helped the Ranger in a significant manner once it is under the Ranger’s guidance. You do not get a list of any capabilities or moves you cannot deduce yourself, and it cannot be taken from the area you found it in or it will run away. You may only give the
    Helpful title to one Pokemon at a time.

    So while it's not impossible, it's certainly very very challenging. And I'd imagine that most legendary Pokemon are pretty easily distracted to do with their respective domains :V
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    EDIT: And sorry for being annoying, Cygan

    It's cool, I'd rather you ask than run with false assumptions.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    Companion: Ranger Feature
    At-Will
    Trigger: You restrain a wild pokemon with the Styler.
    Effect: Once you successfully Restrain a wild pokemon, you may give it the Companion title. You may only have one Companion at a time. If you give a new pokemon the Companion title, you free the other pokemon and replace it with your new Companion. To make the wild a Companion you must sacrifice half an hour upon giving it the Companion title to bond with the wild. This process starts the Companion at Loyalty 2 at least and obedient towards the Ranger, regardless of circumstances before Befriending. The Companion gains experience and levels exactly like a Captured pokemon, as well as counting as Owned for the purposes of levels and features, but cannot participate in official battles or contests (doing so is fraud). The pokemon cannot be returned to a poke ball and it costs 150 credits to heal at a pokemon center. Companions are considered
    I think that would remove the distracted part. So as long as there aren't any huge distractions for half an hour...

    Also the Ranger section is horribly written. The text gets cut off both for the part I just quoted and for the information on recharging stylers D:

    Also, I guess I should choose Snow's Ability ^^;
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    We're playing off a beta, keep in mind.

    It should be pointed out it's not that much worse than some official tabletop books.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I don't know. I think I'd be a bit more concerned with making sure humans still can feel emotions than talking to some random dickhead who drew circles around me :V

    Also, don't forget the fluff about Rangers includes being respectful of Pokemon. I suspect this includes not Companion-izing legendaries.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    ^ Well, it takes half an hour. I'd suspect that time would include things such as asking the Pokemon if it would mind becoming a companion, and if the legendary minded, then I'm sure any reasonable Ranger would say, "Alright then," and stop the attempt

    So I'm betting that a ranger could companionize a legendary and still be respectful, but a good rp'er would keep in mind the circumstances and know whether or not the case is respectful (for example, if a Ranger tried it on, say, a Suicune, but the Suicune wanted to stay there and keep the water clean, then the Ranger would back off)



    Gah, trying to find out capabilities and what they do is a headache. Are players not supposed to know what capabilities do? Because I can guess some (e.g. I'm guessing Snow's glow capability means that she glows in the dark), but others not so much (e.g. Icestep is... What? They can walk on ice without sliding?)
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