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Doctor Who - "Let's Kill Hitler"

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  • Except all evidence we've seen is that regenerations ARE big and explodey, cause things tend to explode around them. And they start with a big explosion...
  • edited 2011-08-28 12:01:14
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^Okay, while I don't agree that regenerations aren't allowed to be big and explodey, that's only true in the new series. Here's the first regeneration, for reference.
  • Who's to say that a Time Lord's last lives aren't volatile?

    After all, River Song is now in the form she's in when she lives her last life right?


  • edited 2011-08-28 12:04:29
    ^ I know in the old series they weren't explodey, but ever since RTD took over he wanted there to be a consistent effect for regenerations, and I'm taking that as a retcon to say that ALL regenerations actually looked like that.


    Clocky: Yes, but she had loads of lives left before she gave them all to the Doctor so...
  • @TheConductor

    Has it been established that she actually had more than one more life to give?

    After all, If that was her second to last, then it could still fit the perimeters.
  • You can change. You can.
    The Doctor did say that she gave him "All of her regenerations"

    that means more than one, no?
  • You know why she can do that then, because she's a Mary sue, there, I said it!

    -_-
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Oh no, the writers have added to the canon?

    It really shouldn't be that bothersome.


    There's "adding to the canon," then there's insulting my intelligence.

    Let me ask: If the twelth Doctor has a tail, and he says that Time Lords always have tails, does that mean we should retroactively assume that the Doctor has always had a tail and we've just never seen it?
  • edited 2011-08-28 12:14:06
    You can change. You can.
    I don't mind River except when Moffat is in full "ZOMG, RIVER IS TOTALLY THE DOCTOR'S SO" mode.

    Which is becoming more and more blatant. 

    The problem, I think, is that Moffat was doing pretty well when he had churned out the romance out of Who. Hell, series 4 was probably the best for me because for once, just for once, we had a companion who saw the Doctor as a friend and not just the best romantic partner ever. Series 5 was even better because Amy didn't fall for the Doctor as Rose did and was just looking to flirt and it's pretty understandable, since he probably was the first man she met.

    But River? Ugh, River is just...I mean, what does the Doctor see in her? She isn't interesting. Her "sass" is nothing that he hasn't seen before and blah blah more ranting.

    ^Because clearly that's not Reductio Ad Absurdum.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    ^Because clearly that's not Reductio Ad Absurdum.


    Except its not. It's exactly what some people here are arguing--that we should just accept whatever new information the show gives us, regardless of how contradictory or simply stupid it is.

    And by the way you do know that implying an argument is invalid because it uses a logical fallacy is, itself, a logical fallacy, right?
  • You can change. You can.
    And by the way you do know that implying an argument is invalid because it uses a logical fallacy is, itself, a logical fallacy, right?

    Your argument is not invalid because it's a logical fallacy. Your argument is invalid because it uses an outlandish and impossible example in order to make the flaws of what you're objecting to seem much more glaring than they are.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    The Doctor having a tail is more outlandish and impossible than Time Lords being walking bombs?
  • You can change. You can.
    The Doctor having a tail is more outlandish and impossible than Time Lords being walking bombs?

    Oui

    Yes

    Si

    Indien

    në qoftë se

    Wenn

    se
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    You're a funny man.

    The point is though, it's wrong to just "accept" everything that goes on. People need to draw lines somewhere, and the more critical the line is, the better.

    If I suddenly accepted that Sarah Jane was in love with the Doctor and that regenerations are kabooms, then honestly I've just given the creative staff carte blanche to spoonfeed me whatever bullshit they want. They very well could do "Time Lords have tails" if they wanted, at that point. The only reason they can't is because I draw a line somewhere.
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    You seem to assume all canon additions/changes are bad thing?
    I honestly can't see why the idea that their regenerations being volatile is so intelligence insulting.
    It isn't even anything that major.
  • You can change. You can.
    I can understand Sarah Jane being in love with a man with whom she travelled and shared as much as she did with the Doctor. And regenerations had been remodeled into a big burst of energy. That's RTD love for melodrama. And I'm actually OK with that. Those are not incredible flaws that ruin the show simply because they are simple changes in characterization and time lord biology that can make sense. 

    I can't defend the explosions, really. That much is true. But I honestly don't care. --shrug--
  • edited 2011-08-28 13:27:29
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    You seem to assume all canon additions/changes are bad thing?


    Because obviously I hate all the new characters, new stories and new details on Time Lord society/what species exist in the universe/seeing planets we've never seen before etc. right? Those are all "canon additions/changes" too, ya know. Think about what words mean before you use them.

    No, I hate that the show is asking us to accept new details that actively contradict what we've known for a fact for the last 60+ years just to make a plot work. You might as well ask me to stop believing in Gravity. I also hate that such details have taken Doctor Who in a more superhero action movie direction as opposed to the slower yet more cerebral pacing of the original. Everything has to be a fucking action movie these days.

    I can understand Sarah Jane being in love with a man with whom she travelled and shared as much as she did with the Doctor.


    Understanding it isn't the problem. Suddenly having it dumped on us forty years after the fact with no prior hint or evidence is

    Also, this may surprise you, but human beings aren't ruled by their hormones and people of mixed genders can spend years together and remain platonic. It's actually more common than you think.
  • You can change. You can.
    Also, this may surprise you, but human beings aren't ruled by their hormones and people of mixed genders can spend years together and remain platonic. It's actually more common than you think.

    Cut the condescension. I never implied your scenario is impossible. I implied that the other scenario is possible. And there's honestly nothing wrong with either of them for me, if they happened.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    *Takes a chill pill*

    All right. I'm calm now. Sorry about that!
  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    >Because obviously I hate all the new characters, new stories and new details on Time Lord society/what species exist in the universe/seeing planets we've never seen before etc. right? Those are all "canon additions/changes" too, ya know. Think about what words mean before you use them.

    My phrasing was a bit off it was meant a question whether you felt that way rather than a statement, sorry.

    Overall I'm just not fussed about the canon changes if they make good stories or episodes or arcs or whatever.
  • edited 2011-08-28 14:39:22
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Ah, alrighty. And again, sorry about that.

    As I said, there's a certain line I draw. I can accept "Holmes wasn't really dead Watson just jumped to conclusions" (the event being 'conned here has just enough left open for this to be plausible). Outright changing the past is something I can't accept, usually.

    And honestly part of the reason it bothers me is because I don't like the modern stories themselves, and the retcons are honestly just helping dig the grave deeper.
  • «BTW, was I the only one who wanted the last scene to be a quick shot of Hitler in the closet going "so...can I come out now?"»
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