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  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-08-04 10:33:19
    You can change. You can.
    A precedent for us to start making pages about random foreign words.

    I'm totally YKTTW'ing Pendejo, btw

    ^the problem is that it's unnecessary. Why not make a page about every way of saying "Dummy" in other languages? 
  • AHRAHR
    A list of insults? 

    Ooooooh. I could get behind that. Heheheh. :P
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    A precedent for what, exactly?

    Random fandom words.

    Why do we need a page dedicated specifically to 'baka'? Why do we not simply make a page, perhaps a Useful Notes page, listing common fanspeak terms like baka?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Why do I often forget who am I speaking to? :p
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    You know what's fun?


    Oh well.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-04 10:59:02
    We have fanspeak pages for Pettanko, Dojikko, Japanese honorifics, and a myriad of other terms that the rather sizable English speaking anime fandom may come across.

    If Italian Webcomics become huge in the next couple of decades, and some Italian phrases start seeing major use in the English speaking fandom, I don't see a problem with listing and defining those terms either.

    They're not junking up example lists, fans legitimately may want to know about the usage of the terms in the works they peruse, and it's not like server space is at a premium. So what's the real problem?


  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    They're not junking up example lists, fans legitimately may want to know about the usage of the terms in the works they peruse, and it's not like server space is at a premium. So what's the real problem?

    Why do we need a page dedicated specifically to 'baka'? Why do we not simply make a page, perhaps a Useful Notes page, listing common fanspeak terms like baka?

    I do not see why the word constitutes an entire page of its' own.
  • AHRAHR
    I would be all for it merging with insults of all kinds :D
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Fanspeak terms of all kinds. Not insults.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    But why? What harm does it cause to have separate pages that give in depth information on the various terms, as opposed to one page that is less useful by giving less information? What do we gain by doing that?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    More of a focus on actual Tropes?
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-04 11:08:12
    How do those pages existence take away from trope pages? Did we hit some article limit that I'm not aware of, that prevents us launching a trope page until Pettanko is cut?

    I'm not trying to be combative here, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind this.
  • AHRAHR
    I am with Meeble here (fuck you I ain't typing that backwards), it seems harmless, and non offensive.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I don't know. Let's see. Why don't we catalogue, say, different drawing styles? Why don't we start cataloguing different camera shots?

    They're all related to media, and may even affect the way various visual tropes are portrayed.

    Why aren't these being catalogued, then? Why are we cataloguing fanspeak, and yet not any of the other myriad things associated with media?
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Why don't we start cataloguing different camera shots?


    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DutchAngle
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
    edited 2011-08-04 11:13:09
    ...
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CameraTricks

    Ninja'd.

    ...Cygan does have a point, though, in that there are fewer words for this than for, say, the fanservice pages. Wiki groaning is the best thing ever.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-04 11:12:31
    What is stopping us from cataloging those things? We have a variety of tropes dealing with camera work and drawing styles already. The fact that a fanspeak page exists does not prevent us from adding any of the things you mentioned.

    In fact, if you have ideas of something that we are missing related to media, you could be adding it right now.

    edit: double ninja'd.
  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-08-04 11:13:34
    I don't know. Let's see. Why don't we catalogue, say, different drawing styles? Why don't we start cataloguing different camera shots?

    Oooooh! That's a great idea! We should do that too!

    ...

    AND WE HAVE!

    THAT IS AWESOME!

    I LOVE THIS SITE!
  • ElbeemElbeem
    edited 2011-08-04 11:17:01
    So Ivy, with your mention of Wiki Groaning, is it safe for me to assume that the real problem here is that some people might be critical of us for having a higher word count on something that's related to Japanese media?
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    I don't about that, I'm starting to have some doubts as that being a great idea.  It's starting to sound excessively anal to me.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Dutch Shot:

    Shots taken from a canted camera angle, often from a low position. Usually used to help create a jarring, "off center" feel.

    Camera Tricks:

    This is an assortment of things the camera can do in visual media.

    You know what I am noticing in these articles?

    Descriptions of how they affect media.

    You know what I'm  noticing in the article 'Baka'?

    A distinct lack of anything to do with media, let alone tropes.
  • Engrish_IvyEngrish_Ivy
    edited 2011-08-04 11:20:50
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    @Elbeem: Pretty much.

    This perception would be remedied by getting rid of bullshit pages, of course...

    @Cygan: But "baka" is what everyone calls Cirno in Japanese. It is very very important that we keep track of this, instead of saying that people call her "idiot". Very, very important!
  • AHRAHR
    But we have all sorts of useful notes entries, like religion and stuff. 

    :<
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    I've always been kinda dubious about the Useful Notes namespace as a whole.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    The problem, to me, is us having a huge-ass page on something that is completely unrelated to the sites' goals. I dont' care what goddamned language it's in.

    But we have all sorts of useful notes entries, like religion and stuff.

    Fighteer:

    I haven't gone over this thread in detail but I feel like mentioning that it isn't just that something gets featured heavily in media that gets it a Useful Notes article; it's that media frequently gets it wrong (whether deliberately or not) and that there is value to the reader and/or writer in distinguishing facts from fiction.
  • ElbeemElbeem
    But there again, you didn't answer my question: how do those pages existence in any way impede us from examining media tropes?

    As I said, the relation to media is that they are terms that a significant portion of English-speaking media fans may (and have) come across, and that they may want to discover more about. If there is absolutely no way that those pages existence detract from existing or future trope and work pages, how are they a problem?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-08-04 11:24:36
    You can change. You can.
    The thing is that it's unnecessary. Why is it so important to have a page detailing what Baka even means?

    It doesn't do anything, good or bad. And that's the problem. It's not even useful or useless. It's just...there. 

    I say that we cut it because really, if we start saving up unnecessary crap, then why don't we just start listing other stuff in other languages? I'd say that French films are prominent enough for us to start a page called "Stupides"

    ^They are a problem because they set a precedent and they are unnecessary. Anyone can stumble into different words in Japanese. Why ot make pages about all the Japanese words that are common in anime, then? 

    It seems dumb and is nothing that a quick trip to the dictionary wouldn't fix.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    But there again, you didn't answer my question: how do those pages existence in any way impede us from examining media tropes?

    I think Juan answered this one for me.
  • AHRAHR
    Considering that there is enough information about it to make an ok-length non example page, it doesn't seem to be THAT pointless.

    I just learned what Baka was in kanji.
  • MyrmidonMyrmidon
    @Cygan's link from the last page

    It's nice to hear that the mods think of us in the same way they think about disobedient children.
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