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  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I meant Aliens.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Nah, a whole bunch of Resurrection's issues are its own. 

    For what it's worth, the only "sin" of Aliens was showing us the extent of an individual Alien's capacity for violence and destruction, which is sort of a no-no in horror despite how good the movie was. See, in the first film, it was implied that the Alien was curiously toying with the crew and could've totally flipped out with true ultimate power at any moment. Also, the first film was kind of Lovecraft as filtered through 70s sci-fi. 

    As for Resurrection's own issues, lemme point out one:

    That fucking Newborn. Okay, it was scary when I was a kid, but now I just think it's kinda pathetic. It didn't need to exist for one thing (what benefit would an Alien get from being half human? They're already hardcore beyond imagination), but it was also kind of unannounced. There was no implication or sign, throughout the entire movie, that it would all lead up to this. So we end up with a Moving The Goal Posts scenario that comes in the last 20 or so minutes of the film that sets up new tension and the like. Aliens did this awesomely, TWICE, but Res couldn't pull it off 'cause the monster wasn't that threatening and it didn't want to hurt the protagonist. 

    The Newborn is a shining example of why a good monster doesn't really need changing as long as you keep things reasonable. Imagine how fucked the Betty crew would've been if a normal Alien jumped on the ship at the end of the movie, right? 
  • wannabeotakingwannabeotaking
    Harbinger of thread and forum death
    I just wanted to add my two cents and say that Buffy and Angel were, in my opinion, fantastically written. Will say that the former takes a dip by the last season and that Angel is kinda similar, but for the most part, the stories were very good and fairly grounded to reality, at least as far as the premise allows.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Aliens took a film that probably shouldn't have had a sequel in the first place, turns it into a franchise and instead of being a tough, claustrophic horror film, goes 'WHOOOO! SPACE MARINES SHOOTIN' UP SHIT!'

    It wasn't a bad movie, but it set bad precedents for the franchise (which shouldn't have been a franchise) not to mention for video game.
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex
    One foot in front of the other, every day.
    I'll give you that, Malk, but it did with respect to the original movie. 

    In Aliens, pistol rounds only hurt Aliens at point blank, and even then it takes like twelve shots in the face to kill one. The pulse rifles eat up Aliens pretty well, but they're 10mm, armour-piercing, explosive rounds, holy shit. And for the most part, the marines still get their asses kicked. In the hive scene, something along the lines of ten marines die, but they only take down three Aliens or so, and none of those kills are made until they're outside the hive. 

    Essentially, the Aliens took on the best-of-the-best and made them look like shit. There's nothing really wrong with Aliens as it stands on those grounds. 

    It's just that everyone else wants to imitate Aliens, but very few really understand why it worked that way. So many comics and the like have Aliens running head-on into gunfire when they're characterised by being surreptitious and seeking clever alternatives to a direct fight despite their physical dominance. It's not exactly Cameron's fault. 

    The only upsides to this are the Alien vs. Predator FPS games, all three of which are pretty fun. 
  • AlkthashAlkthash
    I'm a damn twisted person
    So after reading some summaries for the Buffy Season 8 comics on /co/ ...

    ... can somebody explain the logic behind Buffy and Angel getting standard flying brick superpowers and literally fucking so hard they created a new universe? Seriously, what?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    -shrug-

    i dont even know
  • AHRAHR
    I think it was a prophecy thing.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    See, that's a justification for it happening, but it doesn't mean it wasn't stupid.
  • AHRAHR
    I dunno, does said prophecy apply said phlebotinum, or did it merely foretell that a one and a million billion trillion gazillion chance would actually occur?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    It's not actually even a prophecy. It's the Seed- the source of all magic. Or something.
  • AHRAHR
    Oh.

    Well.

    Huh.

    Wow.

  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    Whedon dropped the ball on his run with Runaways. BIG TIME!
  • AHRAHR
    I read some of it.

    It didn't seem THAT bad.

    >_>
  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington

    He derailed the storyline majorly. Vaughan left the comic with a huge reveal, coupling, and the kids on the Runaway from Iron Man and Super-Human Pro-Reg forces. Whedon picks the series up and suddenly the kids are in New York City cutting a deal with the Kingpin, ignores the big reveal, has the kids go on a wacky time-travelling adventures (because every good comicbook story needs one), breaks up the recent coupling with a half-handed love story, and adds a new member to the team. I don't have a beef with the story in general. It has pretty cool one-shot characters, but the fact that he ended a relationship when it just started and ignored interesting story points which seem to be utterly forgotten by the next volume of the series. I don't know, maybe I'm just fanraging.

  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-07-25 08:42:59
    Oh, yeah.

    It was good as a standalone.

    Dunno it's quality as a continuity.

    (I didn't read anything before it, just Whedon's book, that's all the library had).

    I was confused by goth witch and cyborg though.

    Wow, Whedon, WTF?

    Maybe it's a memory wipe gambit?
  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    Yeah, it's a good stand-alone.
  • AHRAHR
    Has he given any reason why he did those things?
  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington

    Not that I know of.

  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.

    Great, you reminded me of the comics.

    LESBIAN BUFFY

    FUCKING INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION

    FLYING FUCKERY

    KILLING GILES

    I want to know what Joss was smoking when he wrote those abominations, so I can go on a campaign to ban it.

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I just read a bit of the Angel comics.

    Never again, man. Never again.


  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    I read some of Whedon's run on Spectacule X-Men. It was okay. The beginning was anyway.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Whedon's run on X-Men is praised. And after all he got to write Buffy again. He just called her Kitty Pride. :D
  • The_EdgeThe_Edge
    Mr. The Edge goes to Washington
    Whedon was one of the writers on Titan A.E. btw.
  • AHRAHR
    Could it be a result of immunity from editors? Or is Whedon just a hit and miss sort of guy?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Whdon is incredibly hit-or-miss, imo. I think that one of the things that made Buffy/Angel work and be so good was the fact that he had Greenwalt besides him, not letting him indulge on his excesses. Same way he had Minear durng Firefly. The moment you let him loose and on his own, you get stuff like Dollhouse, which is nt entirely without merit, but which has a lot of problems in order for Joss to get his emotional punches, regardless of how much sense they make (Fucking Boyd)
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.
    Every creator needs a good editor to reign in their excesses. See: Robert Jordan, George R. R. Martin, George Lucas.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Especially Lucas. His primary talent seems to be taking good advice.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Das true. 
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.
    He used to have that talent. Now he's surrounded himself with yes men.
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