General writing discussion.

All Nines

>cliché as an adjective instead of clichéd

>cliché without the acute accent

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"You barely know anything about it, you're in no position to critisize it."

Wrong.

"I'm sick of everyone always saying that every idea of mine sucks."

Not true.

"You still barely know anything about the plot at all."

You didn't give us anything else to work with. What were we supposed to assume the main plot was? We can't comment on anything besides that part of the story if it's all we have.

"I didn't even mention the main conflict itself yet."

So mention it and chill out.

Vivi

Sorry Everest. Jeez, all these spelling mistakes I've been using for the longest time that no one corrected me on.

All Nines

Heh, no worries, hence the emoticon.

Chagen

I would mention the conflict, but I've realized that it's not very fleshed out.

Forzare

Then why bring it up as proof that the story isn't cliché?

Vivi

So, with the information I've been presented, I have no choice to stamp this

Chagen

You don't know how much I have to restrain myself from screaming every profanity under the sun. Are you trying to get me banned?

Never mind that I never even described the setting, or any characters, or ANY-FUCKING-THING about the story. So you really have no grounds to call it "cliche".

And let me tell you Vivi: I write whatever I want to write. And I'm not going to let someone bring me down.

Waltzy

Hey, settle down. There has been a wealth of people trying to support you throughout the thread and if you're going to write what you want anyway, why do you even want feedback?

Forzare

^^ holy shit

Dude, you asked for input. You presented what seemed to be a plot synopsis for a story, and a couple people thought it sounded a bit cliche.

I think you've missed the definition of criticism. It's not an attack. If a basic is cliche, that should be pointed out.

Is it really too much to ask that you not fly off the handle and overreact when someone thinks that not every single thing is absolute perfection?

Chagen

Maybe if Vivi actually explained his stance, then yes, I would calm down.

Also, given that I chose not to disclose a large amount of detail anyway, means that basically no one really has enough to go on to damn it with the label of "cliche".

I have to go pick up my computer with my dad, I'll be back in a few hours.

Waltzy

If no one has enough detail to tell if it is cliche, they don't have enough to tell if it isn't either.

It would be best to wait until you have something you deem substantial enough for input.

Chagen

I do have something substantial. I just didn't think it mattered to go that detailed into it and typing long posts is aggravating on an Ipod.

Waltzy

Substantial for others to review, I meant.

IanExMachina

^^

You asked other users about your work, giving a large portion allows for better reflection upon it.

Vivi

I critique what I am given. I thought what I was given was cliche.

Chagen

But what about what happens in the plot? The situations that make up the plot could far more interesting than the framework of the plot itself (especially since this a comedy at heart).

The plot is a means to an end here. Also, who says that it can't be fleshed out upon?

MadassAlex

To expand upon it, Chagen, the story that started this hissy fit comes across as the kind of romantic comedy released every year. Not to mention that we're not given anything to invest in; the protagonist jumps between two equally abhorrent social extremes.

Romance is a difficult genre to have readers invest in as well, since it's so personal. There's seldom any external relevance, so those stories end up relying on how well the reader likes the protagonists. And a protagonist whose central conflict is based around romance is going to come across as uninteresting.

Chagen

First of all, Richard's conflict has nothing to do with romance.

And second: this is not a RomCon. At all. The main point is how Richard ends up becoming such an over-the-top asshole that it's hilarious instead of annoying. Jessie trying to tell him to Be Himself is merely one part of the story.

Vivi

So it's a cliched comedy with romance.

Totally different.

Chagen

Once again, you don't know enough to make that presumption.

You're really pushing me to my limits of anger here Vivi.

IanExMachina

Chagen, chill.

Post a bit of larger section or whatever and maybe the reaction might be different with more togo on.

Chagen

Where do I start though?

Vivi

We keep trying to tell you that since you aren't giving me anything else, I can only critique what I am given.

I may not know enough to call your entire work cliched, but I can call what you have posted about it cliche.

IanExMachina

Wherever you thing best shows off your work?

Maybe you have a chapter you think pulls all the themes together or one you are particularly keen to see how it is received?

Chagen

I haven't even started to write it. I've had the idea for approximately two days.

By the way, the title is Assholes Get all The Bitches.

That should probably tell you how serious this fic is.

Schitzo

AH YEW OKAY?!

Ok: My view point:

From what I can see so far, Chagen... Your story does seem a tad formulaic. Dude is a socially awkward guy, turns into casanova in the blink of an eye, but now he's a jackass. And of course, our main love interest whom I assume we're supposed to be rooting for likes him better as a socially awkward fella.

Unless you're able to make the character change engaging, i suggest writing something else. But by all means, show us more. Just because it looks cliche (so far) doesn't mean it really is.

Chagen

Well, the main meat and potatoes of the story is Richard's extremely over-the-top behavior, the equally over-the-top situations everyone gets in, and the weird Retro-Contemporary world everyone lives in.

If you don't like tropes like What Do You Mean Its Not Awesome, you're not going to like this story.

Vivi

"All" should be capitalized in the title.

Chagen

Huh, really?

Anyway, would a retro-contemporary world work for this? Or would it distract from the story too much?

Bob

Why does this seem like the typical Judd Apatow affair with a pseudo M. Night Shamalamadingdong style twist?