People who deny anthropogenic factors affecting climate change.

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The anviliciousness

it hurts

The strawmanning in this thread

it hurts

IanExMachina

I really should have linked to this first.

The IPCC Climate Change synthesis report. 

Full of facts and reports and data and stuff.

Only 5 pages for those easily bored.

Also check out page 2 that details stuff on Causes of climate change.

GLORIOUSLeader

^^ Yo dawg I heard you like strawmen so I put a strawman in your strawman so you can strawman while you strawman. 

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STRAWCEPTION

GLORIOUSLeader

Bee

The bad apples don't kill or fuck up their customers for the evulz.  They exploit people and/or resources that they shouldn't because it's cheaper than more considerate alternatives, and because the people making the decisions to do it are in a very good position to back out, cash in their chips, and enjoy the high life the moment they draw too much attention.  Keep in mind companies tend to be set up in such a way that the most backhanded people are the ones that rise quickest through the ranks.

No, not all corporations are evil (many are pretty benign -- they're the ones you don't see headlines about).  Yes, the ones that are do enough damage that they need to be regulated for everyone else's sake.  Completely unbridled laissez-faire doesn't work.  Period.

Chagen

"Yes, the ones that are do enough damage that they need to be regulated for everyone else's sake.  Completely unbridled laissez-faire doesn't work.  Period."

I know that. Never denied it.

GLORIOUSLeader

Then what is your point? 

Chagen

That the comment was batshit insane.

Nova

Chagen, your debating tactics are... leaving much to be desired.

glennmagusharvey

Chagen, it seems that you're just overreacting to the crazies.  You really need to learn to ignore them, to ignore all the political posturing on both sides, and focus on asking "okay, practically speaking, what should we do?".

glennmagusharvey

> I wish my neighborhood didn't ban air-drying clothes,
though. Dryers waste so much energy doing something that happens
naturally if you just let your clothes sit out for a bit.

That really sucks.  And I've actually been trying to get my mom to air-dry clothes.

Tried
to get her to do it in the winter, because the heater made the air
really dry and it would be a nice way to humidify the air.  Trying now
in the summer, because it's hot and sunny outside.  Or for that matter,
just indoors in our sun room.

> The planet is in crisis.  Your
mission: Save the Earth.  It won't be easy. As head of the Global
Environmental Organization, you'll be pitted against strengthening
natural disasters, dwindling food and energy resources, tense
international situations...and an ever-growing population that will not
accept failure. Armed with the newly granted powers of the GEO and your
team of loyal agents, you must navigate the challenges of the next two
centuries by any means you decide. Prevention and response, social
change, clandestine operations, technological breakthroughs, alternative
power, space navigation...all are at your disposal.

Now THAT is anvilicious.

That said, if they can actually design a competent game with that...well I'll be impressed.

That said, for someone like me who actually knows about these issues...well that might be a pretty high bar.

> [right-wing mockery of Earth Day]

And this is just another manifestation of trolling.

>
> "To the radical greens, it's a day for humanity to engage in
self-abasement, bow before the altar of Gaia and apologize for the
offense against nature of simply being alive. It's a day to conjure
fears, preach limits and condemn the capitalist system that created a
country wealthy enough to indulge these shiftless hippies in the first
place."
> Not seeing how this isn't true.

1. Never heard of anyone describing themself as a "green", except for a Green Party member, of which there are few anyway.
2. No such altar.
3. No such deity.
4. Only a few fringe idiots advocate mass extinction.  Everyone else advocates LIVING well and within our means.
5.
Again, environmentally conscious business practices are a big deal
these days--to mainstream institutional investors, no less.
6. And finally, these "shiftless hippies" have every right to enjoy their own stupid shit, thanks to the First Amendment.

> Leader: Yes, you must headdesk because I am -gasp!- not a Radical Communist Left-Wing Liberal! How dare I not be one!

NEWS FLASH: ALL PEOPLE WHO ACKNOWLEDGE CLIMATE CHANGE REVEALED TO BE RADICAL COMMUNIST LEFT-WING LIBERALS

> nuclear power

I like nuclear power.  It just needs to be done safely.  However, that is a surmountable problem.

> The actual site is very good but the commentators are fucking insane

Sounds like Youtube.  Or, actually, any news site that allows comments.

>
> "This has got to be really scary stuff for people who believe it
is the natural right of wealthy individuals and corporations to exploit
the natural resources of the entire world without regard to national
borders. The idea that the long-term interests of each individual
country should override the individual's right to make money by
stripping its natural resources in single-minded pursuit of profit has
got to be anathema to them.  It would be sort of like claiming that say,
the right of the people of West Virginia to breathe clean air and drink
water that doesn't burst into flame outweighs the rights of mining
companies to rip off the tops of mountains and pump cr*p into the earth
in pursuit of profits."
> Textbook anti-capitalism.

There's a way to make money AND not leave a trail of destruction in your wake, y'know.

IanExMachina

@GMH

Well you will be pitted against all the stuff mentioned as each strategic turn is 5 years, and you start in 2020.

So scarce resources and the effects of climate change will come up.

The game itself isn't anvilicious really, as if you commit a nation to say Electric Car infrastructure, unless you actually have a clean way of creating power the emissions will go up as your fossil fuel consumption will rise to provide energy and the like. 

Also each region won't necessarily support your actions, so what might be good for the world might lower your support in a region and get you banned.

Also researching tech etc

If it was really anvilicious you'd focus on renewable power and sit there winning.

Also you aren't preached to in the game, stuff happens and you are trying to keep the planet going depending on the scenario.

(Also you have diverse methods such as covert sterilisation to lower birthrate, or if that isn't quick enough Genetically targeted plagues, as long as you don't get caught you could kill everyone in North America if you desired. As hey it stops them polluting right?)

I feel the game is competent, it has a one more turn feel to it. However it has a steep difficulty curve, and will require you to look properly at regions power ratio mix (how much of each fuel they use for what) as well as the ratio between commerce industry and agriculture.

I'd say it would be able to live up to your bar about knowing the issues as it uses data and modelling and reasearch from an oxford professor who specialises in climate change.

Overall I really enjoy this game (hence this rather long post on it) and would recommend it.