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People who deny anthropogenic factors affecting climate change.

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  • edited 2011-06-19 00:38:22
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Yeah, I remember reading about that stuff in Superfreakonomics
    You know, I think that's where I read it.

    But yeah, the way I picture it, you start by doing something tiny, then study the results very closely to see if a larger-scale plan is viable.
  • Glaives are better.

    I really don't give a fuck about global warming, and I fail to see why I should. Or, if I should, why my giving a single fuck about it will change anything. 

    And don't give me that "If we all chip in" bullshit, either. It doesn't matter how many curly lightbulbs you buy - China, India and other industrializing countries will worry more about feeding and employing their massive populations than about the pwetty fwowers. They won't give a shit anymore than I will.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    than about the pwetty fwowers
    Carbon emissions are good for those. It's cities at low elevations that need to be worried.
  • Glaives are better.

    You'd think that such people might be accustomed to regular flooding and high tides, and compensate by perhaps building houses on stilts. 

    I fail to see the horror of millions of people moving to a slightly higher elevation over a period of several decades.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    What about islands, where there really isn't much place to move to?
  • Glaives are better.

    Words fail me. With the submersion of the Maldives and the evacuation of its people, the world will surely lose an irreplaceable part of its history. Surely, spending billions in the hopes of stopping climate change when we're just coming out of a recession is justified in the face of the loss of the Maldives. 

    The climate changes. It happens. Nothing's going to stop it from happening. Nothing's even going to mitigate its effects within a human lifespan. Anyone who tells you that we can STOP climate change is asking for your money.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    So...if someone told you that you had to move out of your home country because people didn't want to bother spending money to keep it from being flooded, you'd be okay with this?
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    So is there any estimation how much carbon emissions it takes to become fatal or impossible to live healthily in some places?
  • Glaives are better.

    Pretty much. Because I'm not going to ask people to throw money at a problem just to make it look like they're trying to fix it. I'd rather they do something reasonable, like send an aircraft carrier to pick me and my family up. If I could, I'd secure a boat for my belongings. I wouldn't ask the civilized people of the world to forget about their problems just because I'd been a silly ass and lived within twenty feet of the sea level.

  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    Surely the reasonably thing would be looking at solutions to climate change so it doesn't devastate ecosystems etc etc 

    Also hardly people being silly asses for being born in their country.
  • Glaives are better.

    Do you know what humanity used to do when nature tried to fuck them in the ass? They moved. Sometimes they swam, if they had to. They didn't say, "Well, I was born here, so it's other peoples' responsibility to sacrifice everything just so that I might stay living in the same shitty place." And if they did, THEY FUCKING DIED, and the human race was better off.

    If the Maldives sink, I will gladly pay to send ships there to pick up refugees and help relocate them. But I'm not going to throw money away because I think I might stop the world from changing.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Do you know what humanity used to do when nature tried to fuck them in the ass?

    Do you know the average lifespan of humans back then?
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Do you know the average lifespan of humans back then?


    80 - 120 years?
  • Glaives are better.

    Do you know that sitting in the Maldives, waiting for people to try to bribe nature, will make your lifespan a lot shorter than that, if global warming is really going to inundate you?

  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    How do you remove the carbon from the air? Is there any way?
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Do you know the average lifespan of humans back then?
    It's skewed by the brutal infant mortality rate. The average lifespan for those who made it through their first few years was not much shorter than the average lifespan today.
  • edited 2011-06-19 01:16:14
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    80 - 120 years?

    Try 30-50.

    ^ Yes it was- you could expect to hit maybe 60. Also, note the 'average'.

    Do you know that sitting in the Maldives, waiting for people to try to bribe nature, will make your lifespan a lot shorter than that, if global warming is really going to inundate you?

    The problem is much worse than one country going underwater- not that that's not bad enough considering, you know, part of a city is inking underwater.

    Areas prone to flooding will be hit by worse floods than ever. Areas prone to drought will receive next to no rain water as the temperatures in these countries rise. The Poles will continue to melt, making the water levels rise MORE, thereby sinking more countries.
  • Okay, the Day After Tomorrow stuff you guys are pulling is making me sick.
  • edited 2011-06-19 01:20:26
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Okay, the Day After Tomorrow stuff you guys are pulling is making me sick.

    there is no Day After Tomorrow stuff. Please don't do this.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Day After Tomorrow stuff? I'm not seeing any of that.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Blergh.

    Convenient link, 'coz it would take me too long to look it all up in my textbooks and find their references.
  • The sensationalism everyone is pulling.

    It almost makes me want to increase my carbon emmisions just to spite you guys.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Is that in general, Cygan? Most of the records my tribes kept had people living in the 70s, and only dying early due to disease outbreaks in the 1800s.
  • edited 2011-06-19 01:22:45
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Sensationalism? We're talking about gradual changes over long time periods and saying that they aren't good.

    And as for this:

    It almost makes me want to increase my carbon emmisions just to spite you guys.
    Chagen, saying stuff like this is what makes everyone want to dismiss your opinions on other topics.
  • Glaives are better.

    Cygan, your argument would be a lot more compelling if you could convince me that spending money on things we already can't afford will somehow prevent such catastrophes. Or that humanity would somehow not survive such a... moistening. Most of the places where those changes would have the biggest effect are already some of the worst places to live in the world. 

    Sure, it'll suck. I'll feel bad for the people who die from disease, or are forced to leave their homelands. I am not, however, going to sacrifice my well-being, and the well-being of the people I love, in order to try to solve a problem that a) is not a threat to me, b) can be mitigated by low-cost direct solutions, and c) may not have a grand, neat solution at all.

  • a little muffled
    I don't see any sensationalism.
  • edited 2011-06-19 01:25:26
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Is that in general, Cygan? Most of the records my tribes kept had people living in the 70s, and only dying early due to disease outbreaks in the 1800s.

    It's the average. Many tribes had people living into their 70's, but they're the outliers, not the norm.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
  • Glaives are better.
    Funnyguts, go right ahead. It doesn't change how I feel.
  • When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Well, considering you just said his much you don't care fir those who refuse to move, I can understand why she thinks that.

    Also, why would your well-being be sacrificed?
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