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  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    That show, it's infamy hurt yuri shows for me.

  • edited 2012-06-25 11:40:17
    Has friends besides tanks now
    ^^^^ Fantastic idea.



    "but basically, there are objective qualities by which you can measure a work's quality, such as characterization, consistent and logical plot and whether it attains the implicit objectives it tries to work under, as well as the connection of all elements in the story to create a whole."



    Consistent and logical plot, I have to grant, but doesn't it depend on the viewer to decide if a work's characterizartion and completion of objectives were well-executed? Interpretation is individualized and based on opinion. Personally, the only objective determinant of quality that I can think of at the moment is adherence to realism and fact according to the level of fantasy in the work - e.g. Dan Brown is objectively bad at presenting established real-world facts (or he deliberately misrepresents things, I wouldn't know), and apparent betrayal of the basic principles of physics in a work that's supposed to be realistic means objectively poor animation.
  • edited 2012-06-25 11:40:57

    ^^ Eh.  It's biggest problems had nothing to do with it being a yuri show.  Mostly that they tried to force lots of shounen shit into a series that didn't need it and with an author that couldn't write it.  Thus half the show being devoted to awful mecha fights against a villain that doesn't actually matter.

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    I have no idea what that show is.

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    but doesn't it depend on the viewer to decide if a work's characterizartion and completion of objectives were well-executed? 



    A subjective criterion would be which type of characters you like and dislike. But objectives are less nebulously defined: Do I want to present an aesop? If so, does it come acrosss competently? if not, what do I want to present?

  • edited 2012-06-25 11:46:13

    ^^ Kannazuki no Miko.

  • Definitely not gay.

    Hey guys, can you give me a song that is:



    1. instrumental.

    2. full of sweet guitar licks


    I just wanna hear something cool.

  • Satch Boogie, by Joe Satriani.


    Or, well, anything by Joe Satriani, probably.

  • Definitely not gay.

    I've always associated Eggman with sweet guitar licks, actually. It's probably because of the Egg Emperor.

  • There is love everywhere, I already know

    @DYRE: Looks kind of interesting, not sure if I'll ever get around to actually watching it.

  • Has friends besides tanks now

    @Eelektross: Animals as Leaders.


    @vandro: It still depends on the viewer to decide whether or not the aesop came across competently; the author can't decide a viewer's reaction for them.

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    They can't decide it, but there are tried and true ways it can be done effectively.

  • edited 2012-06-25 13:05:11
    Kichigai birthday!!

    That idea sounds pretty ebin Glenn

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.


    I got an idea.


    I can try sketching everyone's avatars crudely and do, like, bad imitation week.


    Good idea or bad idea or really bad idea?



    do it do it do it


  • Should I change mine so that it's harder?

  • You can change. You can.

    You know, juan, not everything is an exercise in debate. Sometimes we just wanna fuck around.



    hey, man you asked. I just said I disagreed with the idea. 



    Yeah, but unless one work is just a complete mess, it's still not possible to point to one and say it's objectively better.



    It's a checks and balances thing, at the core of it all. Admittedly it gets complicated when you do something like Mass Effect vs Buffy or something, but I don't see such an argument or discussion as unfeasible or "impossible" as you put it.



    doesn't it depend on the viewer to decide if a work's characterizartion and completion of objectives were well-executed? 



    Characterization is a bit of a mess, but I think it's all a matter of asking yourself if you really know who the character is by the time you finish the story. Not just his name and appereance, but the way he'd act in one situation or another as well as understanding their mentality. 


    The second one is a bit more subjective (And that's where things get messy in media discussion 101: Where subjectivity meets objectivity) but it's relatively easy to pick up the different elements of the story and measure up how they contribute to the theme as whole (Even if said theme is ambiguous)



    Hey guys, can you give me a song that is:



    1. instrumental.

    2. full of sweet guitar licks


    I just wanna hear something cool.





  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    It's a checks and balances thing, at the core of it all. Admittedly it gets complicated when you do something like Mass Effect vs Buffy or something, but I don't see such an argument or discussion as unfeasible or "impossible" as you put it.



    Well, bear in mind that the subject was brought up specifically about Pokemon and Digimon, the former of which is primarily a videogame and the latter primarily an anime. As a result, one's trying to be an experience while the other is trying to be a narrative. If we were comparing two videogames or two anime, then it might be possible to call one better with a degree of objectivity, but in this case, I don't think it is.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.


    This might just have my favourite guitar solo ever. 

  • You can change. You can.

    Well, bear in mind that the subject was brought up specifically about Pokemon and Digimon, the former of which is primarily a videogame and the latter primarily an anime. As a result, one's trying to be an experience while the other is trying to be a narrative. If we were comparing two videogames or two anime, then it might be possible to call one better with a degree of objectivity, but in this case, I don't think it is.



    True, I suppose. Either way, I do admit that it's not like I can just recommend someone to watch, read or play this or that if it does not line up with their preferences and the fact that they are doing very dissimilar things while having a rather similar dressing does make it more of a preferences thing. 


    But the main reason why I'm saying this is because I know shit about Digimon and Pokemon (And I most definetly intend to keep it that way)



  • edited 2012-06-25 20:31:27
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Hi there, Eelektross!


    bad-imitation-eelektross.png

  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!

    Do me next!

  • You can change. You can.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    No, Juan's up next.  DYRE is up after that.  You're fourth.

  • You can change. You can.

    i'm not up at all you fools

  • edited 2012-06-25 14:32:28
    Has friends besides tanks now

    too late Juan


    Where am I in this, by the way?

  • edited 2012-06-25 20:32:50
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    next up is DYRE, then Crimson, then INUH, then you.


    Asuka would so beat the pulp out of me if she ever saw this.


    bad-imitation-juan.png

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    ooh ooh then me
  • You can change. You can.

    Motherfuckers.


    GLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    that is



    beautiful
  • Ooh ooh pick me pick me

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