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  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    So I'm booting it up now to give it a shot and see if it's as terribad as people make it sound.



    if it is send it to me ;-;


  • The problem is that the longer a story is kept up, the more reasons it is needed for the story to keep up and going.



    Pretty much that.  And what that leads to is often a lack of focus in the story, lots of sidetracking, and a general feeling that not much progress is being made.  Or maybe the story is just slow-paced, but in that case I'd still rather... not read something really slow-paced.


    I guess if it was something that didn't have much of an overarching story in the first place then it'd be more okay if it went on for a long time but I still would probably eventually prefer that it end.  I mean, as much as I love K-ON!, I wouldn't want to see it go on for 14 more volumes (nor do I really have any idea how that could happen)... 

  • edited 2012-03-26 21:46:49
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Well, considering the real world, he might have a point. 



    The difference is that Superman knows Luthor, and what Luthor is like. Luthor is definitely not the type of man who would keep his country's best interests at heart, which is kind of what people want in a President. Superman knew this, and he knows that with his reputation, he could sway people against voting for Luthor and thus save them from having a bad President. But nope; because democracy is infallible, Superman didn't interfere.

  • You can change. You can.

    Might wanna rephrase that; I have an idea, but I don't quite know what you're getting at.



    Well, the core idea is that the longer you maintain a story running, you have to justify your characters not solving their conflicts in X or Y situation. the advantage of superheroes is that their conflicts are both short term and long term. Batman will never be able to eliminate crime and he will never be able to let go of his parent's deaths.


    Naruto has to finish ninja school or whatever the fuck he does at some point.

  • I kind of suspected that was the context. And of course, it's still within democratic rights to try to sway public opinion, or else attack ads wouldn't be a thing.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Naruto has to finish ninja school or whatever the fuck he does at some point.



    he finished ninja school in like, the first volume

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.


    if it is send it to me ;-;


    okay
  • edited 2012-03-26 21:53:51
    Has friends besides tanks now

    Pretty much that.  And what that leads to is often a lack of focus in the story, lots of sidetracking, and a general feeling that not much progress is being made.  Or maybe the story is just slow-paced, but in that case I'd still rather... not read something really slow-paced.



    Just because it often happens doesn't mean it's a foregone result of a work being fairly long. I'm speaking in theory and with only one long series I actually like, mind you, but the point stands. For what it's worth, it works for One Piece because it's well-established that the world is huuuuuuge, and there's a fair split between overarching plot details and arc-based stories. And even then, the author basically knows how it'll end and gave a projection for when it'll end some time ago.



    I guess if it was something that didn't have much of an overarching story in the first place then it'd be more okay if it went on for a long time but I still would probably eventually prefer that it end.  I mean, as much as I love K-ON!, I wouldn't want to see it go on for 14 more volumes (nor do I really have any idea how that could happen)... 



    If anything, it would be tougher for a plot-lite series to remain engaging after a while. But while I can't imagine how long K-On! could last, given that it accounts for the progression of time and all, it'll suck when it eventually ends.



    Well, the core idea is that the longer you maintain a story running, you have to justify your characters not solving their conflicts in X or Y situation. the advantage of superheroes is that their conflicts are both short term and long term. Batman will never be able to eliminate crime and he will never be able to let go of his parent's deaths.



    What I'm taking from this is that it depends on the work being examined, which is true for almost every common aspect of media. Some don't lend themselves to great length; some do.

  • You can change. You can.

    The difference is that Superman knows Luthor, and what Luthor is like. Luthor is definitely not the type of man who would keep his country's best interests at heart, which is kind of what people want in a President. Superman knew this, and he knows that with his reputation, he could sway people against voting for Luthor and thus save them from having a bad President. But nope; because democracy is infallible, Superman didn't interfere.



    There's that, but on one hand, Superman does know Lex Luthor best and he knows that Luthor is more than capable to be the best human in the universe. The whole tragedy of Lex is that he could save worlds, raise and further civilizations to unthinkable levels, jump human kind to the damn 25th century if he wasn't so busy having a hateboner for a big blue man in the sky. 


    And Clark knows this, but he also knows that Lex is more than willing to divert his country's resources into hunting or at least defaming superman.


    You know, I'm kinda sad that Lex isn't prez anymore. At least, I feel they could have gone to more interesting places with that idea.

  • You can change. You can.

    he finished ninja school in like, the first volume



    did he finished whatever the fuck he does, then

  • "I don't think there's anything that could possibly be worth reading for 20 volumes."




    Um, I believe the  Goro Goro Iki manga ran for 57 volumes good sir

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    okay



    yes



    And Clark knows this, but he also knows that Lex is more than willing to divert his country's resources into hunting or at least defaming superman.



    You know, the biggest tragedy about Superman is that he's busy trying to drag Superman down to humanity's level, because he feels that humanity will never reach their potential so long as Superman is around.


    He fails to see that he's thinking about it backwards. He shouldn't be trying to get rid of Superman; he should be trying to elevate humanity to stand with Superman as equals.


    Then again, he should also be trying to get rid of the necessity of Superman. Get rid of crime, etc, and Superman would disappear, and he would forevermore be Clark Kent.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    did he finished whatever the fuck he does, then



    he finishes that every other volume. then he just finds something else to do

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    yes


    only if i hate it though



    and if there is one thing forzare is known for here, it is hating things
  • edited 2012-03-26 21:56:16
    Has friends besides tanks now

    Well, having read Naruto for far too long before tiring of it: he wants to become the leader of his village, which means he has to be the strongest ninja from that village. So other stuff happens that makes him stronger. As of yet, he's still dealing with those issues, I think. Or at least, I'd imagine, since I haven't heard of Naruto ending yet.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    It's because Luthor is ultimately a very selfish person. He could have cured cancer and solved world hunger, but he resents Superman for taking adulation that he feels was his. When Luthor talks about the glory of humanity, he actually means the glory of Luthor.

  • You can change. You can.

    You know, the biggest tragedy about Superman is that he's busy trying to drag Superman down to humanity's level, because he feels that humanity will never reach their potential so long as Superman is around.



    Not really. The biggest tragedy of Superman is that he will never be Clark Kent and have the human life he so desires. 


    He doesn't want superman to be more human because he believes that humanity will never reach their maximum potential He reaches down to humanity's level because he believes in humanity's potential and he believes that some of human kinds' values and beliefs are what would make the world a human place


    At the core of it all, Superman, regardless of his Kryptonian origin, is easily the most outstanding human on earth. Not because of his biology, but because of his beliefs and conviction.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Ultimate immigrant story~.


  • But while I can't imagine how long K-On! could last, given that it accounts for the progression of time and all, it'll suck when it eventually ends.



    Approximately one or two more years, tops.  It seems unlikely that it's going to continue past the current school year because at that point every one of the original main characters would have graduated from high school.



    Just because it often happens doesn't mean it's a foregone result of a work being fairly long.



    Well I never meant it as any kind of objective truth or anything.  It's just, it's extremely rare that I read any kind of story and wish it were longer, unless it was just extraordinarily short to begin with.  But I have very often wished long (or even not-so-long) series were shorter.  So I imagine that I probably wouldn't want to read anything that has more than 20 books, is all.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    nly if i hate it though

    and if there is one thing forzare is known for here, it is hating things



    except k-on


    and visual novels about crickets



    Not really. The biggest tragedy of Superman is that he will never be Clark Kent and have the human life he so desires. 



    That was actually a typo, I meant to say Luthor, not Superman.



    It's because Luthor is ultimately a very selfish person. He could have cured cancer and solved world hunger, but he resents Superman for taking adulation that he feels was his. When Luthor talks about the glory of humanity, he actually means the glory of Luthor.



    Which goes back to what I was saying earlier about Superman not wanting the adulation.


    That's the reason that Superman is the hero and Luthor is the villain. Superman is consumed by his desire to help everyone. Every one of his actions is based upon either his desire to live his life, or his desire to help others live theirs peacefully. The glory, the adulation, the hero worship- Superman wants none of it; which is exactly why he gets it.


    Luthor, on the other hand, wants to be a hero because he wants to be special. He wants that adulation, the glory, the hero worship- which is exactly while he'll never get it; because ultimately, he's selfish, and he doesn't want the best for others, which Superman honestly does.

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    Naruto has to finish the proffesional ninja exams, then his rival turns evil and he tries and fails to pursue him and change his mind, then time-skip, then the minor evil orginanization are the new threat and the original villain becomes a secondary threat, and the organization wants to capture all the tailed beasts and then the leader of the organization nukes Naruto's hometown and he saves the day and the leader has a change of heart and revives the town and dies then the comic relief that had been hinted to be the Big Bad becomes the big bad and wants to use the rival as a tool for his war on the world and every nation gathers as one army and the big bad unleashes his army of undead tree people and a bunch of revived super ninjas from the past and that's where we are.

  • You can change. You can.

    Ultimate immigrant story~.



    you know that subtext is too obvious


    so why didn't i realize it until now


    fuck you malk, can't unsee superman as propaganda now 

  • edited 2012-03-26 22:04:49
    Has friends besides tanks now

    @DYRE: Fair enough.


    As for K-On!, the thing about it that leaves me a little sad is that it has the light tone of something that would go on forever and be awesome, but you know it can't.

  • edited 2012-03-26 22:06:08
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    except k-on



    and visual novels about crickets


    no way, fuckin japan crickets



    worst kind



    also I never even finished K-on
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Ultimate immigrant story~.



    shit

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    Dude, I don't read comics and it was obvious, superman creators were jew inmigrants!

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    no way, fuckin japan crickets

    worst kind



    no


    french crickets are worse


    "Cheep, mon ami, cheep~"

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    Batman is specifically not a paragon. He wields fear as his tool, not inspiration. Batman makes criminals afraid, Superman makes good people feel safe. Big difference.



    That's a false dichotomy -- Batman also makes good people feel safe, although propaganda can turn regular people against him in the same way it's used against Spiderman. 


    The Dark Knight (film) spends plenty of time in discussion of Batman's paragon nature, to the extent that he's willing to take a wider social fall and disguise himself as a villain so a good-man-gone-bad can be remembered as an example of what a regular person can do when committed to a strong cause. 


    And Batman does all this while being a mundane human. Well-trained and very wealthy, but ultimately within the scope of what a human being is capable of. People with the kind of skill set Batman has exist, usually trained by and working for various militaries as members of special forces units. The use of stealth tactics, psychological manipulation and whatnot are common and powerful tools of such units, but Batman uses them for crime fighting rather than warfare.


    And sure, there are other beings in the DC setting that can threaten Superman, but they're very specific examples. Someone like Superman is entirely immune to a bullet, blade or any other number of conventional weapons, occupying a power scale that necessitates conflicts on an internal scale, a massive scale or both. If that was everything there was to it, I don't think Superman would have survived this long in publication, because it's the restrictions of his persona as Clark that provide the restrictions that can make a Superman story particularly interesting. 



    His motivations are simple;



    There's a lot of debate over this. In some stories, Batman is consistently haunted by the memory of his parents' death; in others, he has a greater grip on his psychological state and can separate what he does from wide-scale revenge. The Nolan Batman is pretty cool like this, because the man Bruce was going to assassinate for killing his parents is killed by someone else -- it forces him to move on. By taking up the persona of Batman, even though there was no personal revenge to be had, I think it separates him from nastier interpretations. Now he's influenced by the death of his parents, but it's not why he does it. He comes back to a Gotham even more filthy with crime since his childhood, having gone to prison and being trained by ninja. He's lived amongst criminals, trained with the best and returned home to a mind-boggling fortune. The film provides conditions and experiences for Bruce that makes Batman seem like a reasonable, calculated result of a disturbed but essentially sane human being. 


     


    If Superman can only be defeated via kryptonite, magic and X, Y and Z other characters, I think that is very limiting. The threat range isn't high enough. Lex Luthor provides a lot of strong opportunities -- he's the sort of villain that would engineer a scenario where Superman following his normal morals would cause a negative effect, for instance -- but often Lex is used as a kryptonite delivery service. But perhaps that's a superhero problem, villains being more interesting than the heroes and all.


  • also I never even finished K-on



    ;_;


    B-b-b-b-but... It's the bestest animu/mango series ever!



    As for K-On!, the thing about it that leaves me a little sad is that it has the light tone of something that would go on forever and be awesome, but you know it can't.



    Hm... I dunno.  I love K-ON! a lot, but I don't know if I'll really be sad when it's over...


    ...wait nevermind I cried when the second anime ended because it was over so yeah I'm gonna be sad and I'm gonna cry again. ;_; 


     

  • You can change. You can.

    That's a false dichotomy -- Batman also makes good people feel safe



    you can't be serious.

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