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  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Though if you want to do that, you have to
    Spoiler:
    kill Mordin yourself
    so overall, I don't consider it worth it.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Mostly I was talking about ME2 where you couldn't make any progress if you didn't go all the way one or the other.



    yes you could


    in fact, i did



    it's only partially a narrative issue; while it was a terrible ending on those grounds, it was also a mechanical failure in that it didn't provide validation for the prior choices that player had made. In fact, the entire ending of the final game is like this



    and this.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    ^^ i don't like mordin anyway

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    D:<
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    he is too talky and he likes to kill people

  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    >Then it's clear you haven't played many games with moral choices.


    While I have many flaws, 'not having played enough vidya isn't one of them.


    >it was also a mechanical failure in that it didn't provide validation for the prior choices that player had made.


    I'd buy it if people bitched about that in ME2, or the beginning of ME3.


    >But what about each choice in its own context?


    Irrelevant. If Mass Effect is really supposed to have the world and consistency built up around it then choices need to have consequences and not just give them momentary thoughts that would be better spent on genuine philosophical works.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I'd buy it if people bitched about that in ME2, or the beginning of ME3.



    They weren't the resolution of the series. The ending of ME2 also had actual different outcomes based upon the choices you made throughout the game.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2012-05-28 04:01:03
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    >I'd buy it if people bitched about that in ME2, or the beginning of ME3.



    You haven't seen the sheer scale of the ME3 ending's failure to account for even one choice you've made over the course of the trilogy.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    edited 2012-05-28 04:02:15
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    ^^None that made any significant narrative merit, which is why a unified ending makes sense.


    ^You're misunderstanding me. I don't think the ending needs to account for any of the choices. They're dressing, not an actual effect on the narrative.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Like, seriously.


    It failed in every aspect.


    Wait, no, that's a lie.


    The colour of the light changes! that's choice, right guys

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    None that made any significant narrative merit, which is why a unified ending makes sense.



    the death of potentially your entire-


    whatever


    okay

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    >None that made any significant narrative merit



    There are entire species whose survival is variable.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    edited 2012-05-28 04:04:30
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    You still reach the same end. It's an ending with more of body count, but it's essentially the same narrative end.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    So, if you cut out the first few hundred pages of Lord of the Rings and replace them with Twilight, it's the same book?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    You still reach the same end. It's an ending with more of body count, but it's essentially the same narrative end.





  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    No, but if you Lord of The Rings has it so all the dwarves die, the ring still ends up in Mount Doom.

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.


     


    actually, this one fits better

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    But that would not be the same story.



    A story is not just the ending.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    The ending is the culmination. The part people remember, which is what results in the ME3 kerfuffle.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Yes, but it isn't the entire story, and acting like it's the only bit that counts is completely absurd.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    If my choices are supposed to have consequences that's where it should have them.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    If my choices are supposed to have consequences that's where it should have them.



    that is why people complain about the ending though!

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Really? So your choices shouldn't have consequences immediately after you make them?



    Yes, it's a failure that the ending doesn't account for your choices, but that doesn't mean the last hundred or so hours of gameplay didn't happen.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    And yes, choices should not just have merit at the end.

  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    That's my point. Mass Effect was never about choice. It was about leading you to a narrative conclusion which is why there are things like Not-Mordin in the game.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Have you done Rannoch yet?



    If not, do Rannoch, come back, then tell me your choices don't have consequences.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    edited 2012-05-28 04:21:41
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    I will and I probably will considering what I know about the ending.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    If the ending is the only part of a work that matters to you, you must go through books really fast.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    edited 2012-05-28 04:22:31
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    In books the heroes choices hinder or help him from reaching the conclusion. Mass Effect, not so much.


    You can talk about the fate of species and numbers until you're blue in the face but it's Shephard's story. And no matter what you choose, he reaches the end.

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    But saying that that's the only reason why narrative events matter is like saying that murder is okay because the victim would have died eventually anyway.
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