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General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)

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  • I'll take a guess: everyone's trying to vote full blue this election? :3
  • edited 2016-10-24 18:27:23
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Well, aside from the people who don't live in the US, of course.

    Congrats on voting in your first election!

    My first election was in 2004, right after my 18th birthday.  Being born on Halloween really makes voting age a memorable thing.

    At the time I voted absentee in Connecticut (due to being in another state in college).

    In 2008, I backed Obama over Clinton in the primary and voted Obama in the general, also in Connecticut.

    In 2012, I voted for Obama in the general.  I moved to Virginia in August of that year so I voted in Virginia.

    In 2016, I was undecided in the presidential primary but ended up voting for Sanders, in Virginia.  I moved from Virginia to Florida during the summer, so now I'm voting in Florida, and I'll be voting for Clinton.

    And Murphy, and the rest of the Democratic candidates, of course.

    If I were living in the late 1800s, I would probably hate the Democrats and be voting straight-ticket Republican.  Especially for the liberal/"radical" Republicans.  But with some possible exceptions for populist Democrats.  And if I lived in the early 1900s I would probably have been bouncing around the populist Democrats and the progressive Republicans.

    From what I remember of U.S. History, I think I would have supported Horace Greeley, William Jennings Bryan, and Theodore Roosevelt.  Possibly also Samuel J. Tilden?
  • edited 2016-10-24 18:36:43
    Murphy earned my vote after speaking out in support of the public option. On that alone, he's better than Rubio.



    I'll be voting Clinton too, and will vote straight blue the whole way. So will most of my family because I used Trump as a Cudgel.

    If I lived in the 1900s, I'd have voted for Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, and Henry Wallace. Mostly the progressives and socialists.
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-10-24 20:05:16
    There are a couple semi-moderate Republicans challenging a particularly unpalatable Democrat around here.

    Dennis Richardson, the Republican for Secretary of State, lost very narrowly to Kitzhaber for governor last time, and we all know how that ended.  Between him and Democrat Avakian for SoS, it's closer than one would expect of Oregon.  Between Avakian's platform being an activist thing largely out of scope of what an SoS actually does, lingering distrust from when Gov. Brown (then SoS) got caught fucking with election information to disadvantage Republicans, and Avakian's tendency to heavily skew nonpartisan positions he's already held, it's worried local papers -- even the usually liberal ones like Oregonlive -- enough that they've basically all endorsed Richardson.  The main thing they're worried about is that while Richardson has a surprisingly good record keeping nonpartisan positions actually nonpartisan, if something gets the governor to resign (again), they don't really want him there.

    That's the main notable case, at least.  The more local positions are tossups depending on whether the primary got overrun by Trumptards or squeezed a moderate through to challenge someone with known problems.  It's a lesson in why looking people up instead of voting straight ticket is still a good thing.
  • edited 2016-10-24 20:40:59
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    There are a bunch of non-partisan judgeship elections I have to read up on.

    Also, Serocco, vote no on Amendment 1
  • I told you to vote no on Amendment 1 earlier too :P
  • Republicans are now threatening to sue ads that show Republicans supporting Trump. Because defamation. Somehow. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_580e34b2e4b000d0b157b24f
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-10-24 23:52:25
    I mean if they don't actually support him and are on the record saying as much, ads saying otherwise are at least false advertising.  I'd really like at least one main party to be better than that.
  • No, I mean Republicans who actually supported Trump are threatening to sue when people point out they supported Trump.
  • I'm voting green and I disdain the electoral system.
  • All five Republicans have, at some point, said they don’t support Trump. And all five have a bit of a case: The DCCC ads do use some creativity to tie them to Trump. 
  • edited 2016-10-25 00:51:26
    Oh I see. But defamation lawsuits are a bit over the top
  • edited 2016-10-25 02:06:58
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Trump denies having done...um, nasty things to various women who have come forward to accuse him of said nasty things.

    There are two explanations for this.

    1. Trump is lying.

    2. For Trump, it was Tuesday.

    (N.B.: Neither of them is "they didn't actually do this".)
  • edited 2016-10-25 05:09:55
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Downballot polling roundup from DKE:

    MN-08: SurveyUSA, for KSTP (an ABC affiliate), Trump 47-35.
    * Stewart Mills (R): 45
    * Rick Nolan (D, incumbent): 41
    compare, a few days ago: Clarity Campaign Labs, for House Majority PAC (D), Trump 38-37:
    * Rick Nolan (D, incumbent): 49
    * Stewart Mills (R): 41
    This is an Obama 2015 52-46 district, but the district's relatively lower median income and proportion of college graduates present a notable danger of it moving toward Trump.

    VA-10: a little old, but I found the poll where Bennett is leading Comstock.  This is a highly-educated and very wealthy Romney 50-48 district, in the Northern Virginia area.
    From about a week ago, Expedition Strategies, for LuAnn Bennett (D), no presidential toplines:
    * LuAnn Bennett (D): 48
    * Barbara Comstock (R): 44
    Comstock has a reputation as a pretty good campaigner, but these circumstances will certainly challenge her skills.

    UT-04: in-house DCCC poll.  This is Utah's least red district, where notably poor campaigner Mia Love is facing a rematch against Doug Owens, best known for being the son of a popular former governor.  She won 51-46 in 2014.
    * Mia Love (R, incumbent): 49
    * Doug Owens (D): 41

    IN-09: Garin-Hart-Young, for Shelli Yoder (D):
    * Trey Hollingsworth (R): 43
    * Shelli Yoder (D): 43
    This is a southern Indiana seat around Bloomington; Romney won it 57-41.  Incumbent Todd Young is running in IN-Sen.  Yoder is a Monroe County Councilor who represents a significantly bluer council district, and is a former Miss Indiana.  Hollingsworth is a businessman who recently moved to the area from Tennessee.

    FL-13: St. Pete Polls, for Florida Politics:
    * Charlie Crist (D): 48
    * David Jolly (R, incumbent): 45
    Crist is a former Republican governor who became an independent then a Democrat, and he lives in southern St. Petersburg, which was originally excluded from this district until it got redrawn by the Florida Supreme Court.  (Living in a district is actually not a requirement for representing it, technically.)  Jolly has a not-particularly-good relationship with GOP leadership after helping 60 Minutes do an exposé into how much fundraising for the party sucks.  The reconfigured seat is a lot bluer and Jolly, who previously tried to bail by running for FL-Sen (back when Marco Rubio still hated his current job), dropped back down to try to hold it.

    University of New Hampshire has released polls of various races.  They have a reputation for having numbers that are a little wild.  The presidential toplines for these polls is Clinton 49-34.
    NH-Sen:
    * Maggie Hassan (D): 48
    * Kelly Ayotte (R, incumbent): 39
    NH-Gov:
    * Colin Van Ostern (D): 44
    * Chris Sununu (R): 38
    NH-01:
    * Carol Shea-Porter (D): 43
    * Frank Guinta (R, incumbent): 29
    * Shawn O'Connor (I, formerly D): 10
    NH-02:
    * Annie Kuster (D, incumbent): 51
    * Jim Lawrence (R): 23

    FL-Sen: YouGov, Clinton 46-43:
    * Marco Rubio (R, incumbent): 44
    * Patrick Murphy (D): 42

    MO-Gov: Remington Research (R) for the Missouri Scout:
    * Chris Koster (D): 48
    * Eric Greitens (R): 39

    Two NC polls from PPP, both Clinton 47-44.
    NC-Sen:
    * Richard Burr (R, incumbent): 42
    * Deborah Ross (D): 41
    NC-Gov:
    * Roy Cooper (D): 46
    * Pat McCrory (R, incumbent): 44

    Similarly, two NC polls from Monmouth, both Clinton 47-46.
    NC-Sen:
    * Richard Burr (R, incumbent): 49
    * Deborah Ross (D): 43
    NC-Gov:
    * Pat McCrory (R, incumbent): 48
    * Roy Cooper (D): 47
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    NH-01: YouGov, for UMass Amherst and Boston's CBS affiliate:
    * Carol Shea-Porter (D): 41
    * Frank Guinta (R, incumbent): 37
    * Rob Lombardo (L): 9
    * other: 3
    Shawn O'Conner, former Dem primary challenger and now independent, was not included.

    CA-31: Remington Research for Paul Chabot (R):
    * Pete Aguilar (D, incumbent): 45
    * Paul Chabot (R): 42
    This seat is in the Redlans area and Obama 2012 won it 57-40.  Aguilar won in 2014 51-49.  It is located in the Los Angeles media market.

    VT-Gov: little-known pollster Braun Research, for WCAX:
    * Phil Scott (R): 47
    * Sue Minter (D): 40
    Scott is the lieutenant governor of VT and Minter is the transportation secretary.

    FL-07: Cherry Communications for John Mica (R):
    * John Mica (R, incumbent): 47
    * Stephanie Murphy (D): 42
    This may be in response to Dem poll releases showing Murphy up narrowly.

    NJ-07: a central NJ seat, Romney 53-46.  Located in the NYC media market.  Public Policy Polling, for Peter Jacob (D), Clinton 45-44:
    * Peter Jacob (D): 45
    * Leonard Lance (R, incumbent): 45

    UT-04: Dan Jones & Associates, for Utah Policy:
    * Mia Love (R, incumbent): 51
    * Doug Owens (D): 38
    Oddly, the House Majority PAC (D) just started advertising here.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Montana State University Billings, 3 Oct to 10 Oct, Trump 43-27:
    MT-Gov:
    * Steve Bullock (D, incumbent): 44
    * Greg Gianforte (R): 32
    MT-AL:
    * Ryan Zinke (R, incumbent): 50
    * Denise Juneau (D): 31

    Monmouth polls NH, Clinton 46-42:
    NH-Sen:
    * Kelly Ayotte (R, incumbent): 46
    * Maggie Hassan (D): 46
    NH-Gov:
    * Colin Van Ostern (D): 48
    * Chris Sununu (R): 43

    LA-Sen: Southern Media & Opinion Research:
    * John Kennedy (R): 22
    * Foster Campbell (D): 16
    * Charles Boustany (R): 14
    * Caroline Fayard (D): 12
    * John Fleming (R): 9
    Jungle primary will be followed by runoff in December.

    NY-19: Public Policy Polling for End Citizens United (supporting Zephyr Teachout (D)), POTUS tie 46-46:
    * Zephyr Teachout (D): 44
    * John Faso (R): 41

    NE-02: North Star Opinion Research for Congressional Leadership Fund (R), Trump 44-40:
    * Don Bacon (R): 48
    * Brad Ashford (D, incumbent): 44

    FL-Sen: three new polls:
    SurveyUSA, Clinton 48-45:
    * Marco Rubio (R, incumbent): 45
    * Patrick Murphy (D): 41
    Selzer & Company, Trump 45-43
    * Marco Rubio (R, incumbent): 51
    * Patrick Murphy (D): 41
    Florida Atlantic University, Clinton 46-43:
    * Marco Rubio (R, incumbent): 46
    * Patrick Murphy (D): 42
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-10-27 02:22:24
    Clinton seems to be losing a tiny bit of ground over time since the last debate (though still with a healthy lead).  Honestly it's like people just fucking forget who they were about to vote for.
  • Trump is still ahead in Ohio.

    Good lord, America.
  • Clinton is going to destroy more lives than Trump... plus her victory is precisely what the corporate elite wants. 9/11 was an inside job.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Clinton is going to destroy more lives than Trump... plus her victory is precisely what the corporate elite wants. 9/11 was an inside job.


    Don't go down the deep end with the conspiracy theorists.
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-10-27 19:04:13
    Serocco wrote: »
    Trump is still ahead in Ohio.

    Good lord, America.



    For early voting?  It's usually more indicative of the kind of people who vote early than anything.  Unless early voting indicates a landslide it doesn't tend to tell you much.

    That said, Ohio is predicted to be as much a dead heat as it gets.  The good news is Trump basically has to win all battleground states, and additionally pull Colorado or Pennsylvania or something, which is...unlikely barring some extreme and obvious malfeasance.

    Let's not forget lol McMullin might sabotage Utah out from under him.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Apparently there was a debate last night between Patrick Murphy and Marco Rubio.
  • Yeah, it was early voting last I checked.

    Republicans are indicating that they will block any and every Supreme Court nominee under President Clinton.
  • BeeBee
    edited 2016-10-27 22:57:41
    I mean I'm not sure what that will accomplish except to make them lose a ton of face.  Blocking Scalia's position for almost a year of lame duck is bad enough, but for an entire presidential term is both flagrantly unconstitutional and even goes against their previous rhetoric of "letting the voters decide".  Especially if another justice or two bows out during the next term and they have multiple vacancies.

    McCain literally fled from his own local reporters before they could even ask him about it.  That's how toxic this is.
  • The FCC just voted in favor of protecting Internet privacy. Now, you can tell your Internet provider to buzz off on your app and browsing history, among other such measures.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/10/27/the-fcc-just-passed-sweeping-new-rules-to-protect-your-online-privacy/?utm_campaign=pubexchange&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=huffingtonpost.com
  • DCCC also apparently started helping Murphy over Rubio after Obama went down to Miami to mock Rubio.
  • So for anyone who still thinks it doesn't matter if they vote for a third party, Hillary appears to have been edged out in three swing states in the last few days, and three more are well within the polls' margin of error.  Most of the lost lead seems to be Trump reclaiming votes lost to Johnson.

    I cannot overstate how important it is to know the impact of voting third party.  I'm willing to do it when both candidates are at least sane, but we don't have that luxury this time.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Serocco wrote: »
    DCCC also apparently started helping Murphy over Rubio after Obama went down to Miami to mock Rubio.




    wouldn't this be the DSCC?
  • Or that, yeah.

    Wait, @bee, Clinton is trailing Trump now in the swing states?
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