"X is a bad -something" "Not when it came out!"

Chagen

What I'm saying is that saying "Goldeneye is a decent game" wil have fanboys screaming down your throat that it's a classic and therefore unexmept from critisism.

ColorPrinter

Now you're not even trying to defend your opinions on Goldeneye

Chagen

Uh, no, that's what the OP was about: How admitting that Goldeneye was merely decent will get a ton of people saying that it was "revolutionary" for its day" and this somehow makes it good

ColorPrinter

We understand the Fan Dumb. You said it was shitty

Jesus christ be consistent

Counterclock

You also cited Mario 64 as a "Good game when stacked to today"

When it's not really

Forzare

If that was your point, why did you call it shitty and unplayable in the same post? 

Chagen

Because I was bringing in my opinion as to why I think it wasn't a good game.

MillerCross

Here's the deal, peeps

You can't compare a game to modern games today and automatically conclude that the old game is bad. Why? Because the gameplay from new games is not an inherent quality to the older game.

Not to mention, that this is nothing but an opinion of Chagen, rather than an absolute fact. 

It's OK to not like Goldeneye, but for the love of God, use reasonable arguments, geez

RedEyedAbyss

"You also cited Mario 64 as a "Good game when stacked to today"

When it's not really "

I've seen a lot of backlash against the game. While I can understand many of the arguments, I am still personally fond of it despite its flaws.

So what don't you like about it?

MillerCross

It's not Super Mario Galaxy

RedEyedAbyss

MillerCross

I should probably make that IJBM: You Tube Poop thread one day.

Anyway, my point is more along the lines of, "When you compare Super Mario 64 against the games of today (Which includes, I should say, a very superior pair of sequels) who do you think it's gonna come on top?"

Central Avenue

I look at it kinda like this: Is my 1977 Chevy a "bad" car for not coming with anti-lock brakes and a passenger-side airbag?

(Note: I do not actually have a 1977 Chevy)

MillerCross

There's a difference with that, though. And it's that you wouldn't buy a 1977 Chevy if you had money for a car with anti-lock brakes and a passenger-side airbag.

Whereas it's not out of question for you to buy an SNES and a game from said console.

Central Avenue

That wasn't quite the point I was trying to make.

Mainly, that when judging the car on its own merits, I can't criticize it for the lack of anti-lock brakes because those weren't a thing.

Noimporta

 And it's that you wouldn't buy a 1977 Chevy if you had money for a car with anti-lock brakes and a passenger-side airbag.

Hey, a 1977 Chevy probably costs a lot more than a car with anti-lock breaks and airbag.

MillerCross

I know. I just think the metaphor doesn't hold much water when you translate it to videogames.

Hey, a 1977 Chevy probably costs a lot more than a car with anti-lock breaks and airbag.

Depends on how well kept it is. 

RedEyedAbyss

Still, the Super Mario Galaxy games are different in some ways from 64, most prominently the former being more linear platforming while 64 had a lot of adventuring and puzzles.

I personally felt 64 is more replayable myself, but eh, personal preference.