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"Women are superior to men. In every way, shape, and form." [sic]

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  • No rainbow star
    Abyss Worm: Don't men also build muscle mass more easily? (Not saying women are unable to. Just that, well, I thought men tend to have an easier time with it)

    Also, don't women tend to get fat reserves more easily?
  • >Implying Muscles seriously play a role in modern society
  • No rainbow star
    ^ Not implying that. Just that Abyss was saying only attitudes differ and the rest were societal seemed odd when considering muscles and fat
  • That last bit is accurate from what I can remember.

    I mean it makes sense just from looking. Compare two people of different sexes and healthy weights, and the woman is likely to have a higher fat content if only because of the boobs.
  • Woki mit deim Popo.
    I think you're forgetting the hips get fat too.
  • Not much you can do about physical differences like that one for thing.

    A lot of you do about society telling women and men they're not equal at things not determined by gender and creating this gap due to societal pressure.
  • "Just that Abyss was saying only attitudes differ and the rest were societal seemed odd when considering muscles and fat"

    Of course, gender difference discussions usually deal with mental differences, so I left out physical as a given.

  • inb4BlackHumour
    What, really? I'm known for genderwank now?

    Serious answer: Being a man doesn't actually protect you from being misandrist, in the same way that being a woman doesn't actually protect you from being misogynist.

    Your friends are douchbags, albeit a particularly rare kind of douchbag.

    ----
    Also about the apple/orange thing: What Abyss_Worm said, except that he's actually misinterpreted what the study said. It found the only (significant) differences between men and women AT ALL are sex, aggression, and motor skills. We can't tell what causes them (and I strongly suspect that the sex and aggression parts, at least, are mainly cultural).



    Sorta-edit: It turns out I left this post in my browser for a few hours without posting it. So I'm pretty much doomed to be ninja'd. But I'm too lazy to rewrite it so I'll just leave you guys to sort it out.
  • edited 2011-09-01 13:31:49
    Loser
    Dynamod,
    I've been told this twice now, by two of my closest friends. (of which you may or may not know, but I will not share their names). Both of whom are male... is it ok for me to be bugged by this?

    I apologize if I am stating the obvious, but yes, it is definitely okay for you to be bugged by that. I agree with Waltzy that people are individuals and should be seen as such, so I think it is silly to say that all men are bad or all women are good or vice-versa.

    Talking about people, especially classes of people in terms of being superior or inferior bothers me a great deal too, mostly because of the problems it tends to create (i.e. the "superior" people becoming arrogant or hurting those considered inferior).

    Abyss_Worm,
    That's the thing I find damaging about gender stereotypes. They end up becoming something of a self-fulfilling prophecy that keeps everyone in line regardless of their own individual personality. And really, this affects both boys and girls, so it's not so much an issue of one side persecuting another.

    I agree on both of these points too. Aside from just expectations about gender roles, it bugs me a bit when people say things like "well they're men or they're women so of course they would do something like that." Basically, I really dislike it when people tell others who (or why) they are rather than letting them make their own decisions.


  • edited 2011-09-01 13:35:53
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I definitely wonder if there's a sort of effect where nowadays some people see male characters as "default" and female characters as "default plus extra features", including a "gender" feature (whereas gender isn't really paid attention to with male characters).
  • No rainbow star
    Abyss Worm: Ah, alright then
  • ^^I sorta see things that way. I don't think it's something that just happens nowadays, either. If you pick an influential historical figure or fictional protagonist from 1000 years ago, the chances of the person being male are probably better than 50%.
  • "I definitely wonder if there's a sort of effect where nowadays some people see male characters as "default" and female characters as "default plus extra features", including a "gender" feature (whereas gender isn't really paid attention to with male characters)."

    I admit that even I do this. But I try to write them both the same.
  • edited 2011-09-01 14:38:07
    ^^It's a vicious cycle. This happens because influential historical figures (that are most frequently in the public consciousness) are primarily male.
  • $80+ per session
    Another thing that bugs me is when a lot of modern female characters that aren't described as "strong", and are described as "submissive", "weak", "shy, etc are written and the author is called sexist.
  • You can change. You can.
    It bothers me a lot more that what feminists call a "strong" female character it's mostly just an "independent" female character. Not to mention that sometimes depth is forgotten while making a female character "strong" for the sake of her being "strong"
  • edited 2011-09-01 14:48:41
    Pony Sleuth
    ^^^Even if that's true to a point, our species didn't start out with a public conscious with male historical figures. Somehow it developed naturally, and considering that males are more aggressive and child-bearing women have to devote time and resources to pregnancy, childbirth, and nursing, I don't think it happened by chance.
  • $80+ per session
    My mom believes that to a point. She has thinks that men have slightly more excuse to have multiple partners because sense humans have been around, women would die very early, and men would live on, being able to have children till the day they died.
  • I guess the negative attitude towards promiscuous women would have made more sense back before birth control and decent healthcare. If you're some dude in a tribe and you go have sex with a bunch of women, you're going to get a lot offspring. If you're a woman in the same situation and do the same thing, you get maybe one child and possibly die. 
  • The only reason I can think they'd say something like that, is they've
    bought into stupid man-guilt lauded onto them by Feminists.


    Not necessarily. Placing women on a pedestal is often a symptom of creepy nice-guy behaviour, and, oddly enough, can be sexist in and of itself. After all, when you're lauding folks as pure wonderful perfect beings, you're not really thinking of them as people.

    It's like the 'noble savage' concept, only applied to sex instead of race.
  • IJBM: It always comes back to the "nice guy" thing.
  • $80+ per session
    ^
  • You can change. You can.
    I don't see how it is irrelevant to the current discussion. 
  • $80+ per session
    Iaculus mentioned it?
  • You can change. You can.
    I didn't say "I don't see how your comments are relevant to the current discussion."

    I said "I don't see how Iaculus comment warranted Don Zabu's response (AKA: One where he complained about the pervasive nature of the "Nice guy thing")
  • ^ The phenomena frustrates me, is all, and not in the way it frustrates most other people.
  • edited 2011-09-01 15:49:42
    Loser

    I think this is a good example of the "placing women on a pedestal" idea that Iaculus mentioned. While I believe that some of it is has good intentions, I feel like doing your best as an individual to respect everyone (men and women) makes a lot more sense than apologizing for what men (or women) have done in the past.

    That being said, I do think it is a good idea to be aware of past sexism and acknowledge that men and women have faced and continue to face certain unique challenges.
  • a little muffled
    @DonZabu:
    The phenomena frustrates me
    Phenomenon.
  • You can change. You can.
    ^ The phenomena frustrates me, is all, and not in the way it frustrates most other people.

    How?
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