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One funny thing about "pandering"...
You know what I find funny about "pandering?"
It's essentially degrading a work for:
A) having female characters with diverse personalities and backgrounds--because obviously its to appeal to every male fetish in existence.
actually knowing something about the subject matter the work writes about. Because its obviously just trying to hook the nerd crowd.
When the work actually mentions the infinite lives trick from SMB (and points out that it actually isn't infinite lives--something that isn't well-known), that's not pandering. If it is, then its above and beyond the call of duty. And its sad that dumbass nerds treat this as if its a bad thing.
No wonder the quality of American fiction has gone down in recent years.
actually knowing something about the subject matter the work writes about. Because its obviously just trying to hook the nerd crowd.
When the work actually mentions the infinite lives trick from SMB (and points out that it actually isn't infinite lives--something that isn't well-known), that's not pandering. If it is, then its above and beyond the call of duty. And its sad that dumbass nerds treat this as if its a bad thing.
No wonder the quality of American fiction has gone down in recent years.
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See, you were doing okay until you turned it into a "self-hating American" thread.
^No one hates Americans more than other Americans.
Fuck American self-hatred. Don't let the Commies invade your mind with their Charlie propaganda.You want me to stop? Cure me of all diseases, give me the winning lottery numbers and magically transplant me in Japan. Then maybe I'll either be happy, or else start bitching about Japanese stupidity instead.
^I've seen American stupidity. I've also met some awesome Americans, become friends with a lot, and dated a couple. My dad's an American and so am I and I think we're alright.
But hey, obviously that's just a little thing and not worth having a "massive hateboner" is it?
Don't act like your "Time in America" is gonna be different from anywhere else.
Neither he nor I use this admittedly serious flaw to make massive generalizations about a nation and people, which I might add has nothing to do with your complaint of American fiction.
It's also completely unrelated to almost everything America-related you complain about.
Wait! Maybe the quality of American fiction is declining because none of the great writers or directors have health care! IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
But most of my hate comes from American society, government, etc. The fiction is really just icing on the cake. Or whatever the bad version of that is supposed to be.
A) having female characters with diverse personalities and backgrounds--because obviously its to appeal to every male fetish in existence.
Here's a hint: are they subservient to males or male interests? (by the latter, I mean a character that has the fundamental purpose of attracting males to, for a lack of a better word, "dominate" her)
Is showing their work integrated well into the story, or is it there for the sake of showing off?
Because there isn't a subset of the female population who isn't like this, amirite?
It also doesn't change the fact that there are men, like me, who like this kind of girl.
Er... right. That's the point. The point Abyss_Worm was making is (probably. I am not Abyss_Worm so I may have misread), if female characters' personalities are determined by what some men are attracted to, that's considered "pandering."
^^^To add to that, I've noticed that in a lot of casts, the females may be diverse, but they still come off as two-dimensional cardboard cutouts molded from stock archetypes compared to the male characters. Fitting, as a lot of males tend to view females through a two-dimensional perspective.
^That tends to be the difference between a three-dimensional character and a two-dimensional one. Does the character have other traits beside their template? Does the love interest character exist solely to be the object of the male character's affections, or does she have a mind of her own?
I've never claimed to be psychic
I don't want to play all my cards yetso unless its blatantly obvious then its almost always a hard call.But what I was getting at was that a lot of people who play the "pandering" card just don't seem to care. Take the ever-commonly discussed Lucky Star for example--the main character is someone who, in any social context, would be seen as either a bore or a psycho maniac and most people would probably rather avoid her than fuck with her out of fear of getting whatever cat-lip germs she has. Okay you can argue she's an otaku fantasy except that she clearly hates damn near every man she talks to and the ones she does talk to she calls them out on their B.S. Her best friend? Psycho-bitch nerd in denial who has issues about her weight (that's way too close to real women for me). Her best friend's sister? Ditz who will run up your phonebill with inane text messages. And their other friend? Girl who accidentally sits in the waiting room until midnight reading a book. And main character's loli-crowdpleasing cousin? Your waifu is someone who you have to worry about every fucking time she coughs and anyway is probably doing the nasty with Rei Ayanami.
Okay, maybe Otaku don't have the grasp on reality enough to know what pains in the ass any of these waifus would actually be in real life, but still, I feel like if this was "pandering" then the girls would have more generic, everywoman personalities.
Irrelevent as the latter doesn't necessarily indicate pandering. It could just as easily be the author having fun with his work.