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One funny thing about "pandering"...

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  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-07-30 11:03:24
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I think I agree with you to an extent about Lucky Star not being just pandering, but I also think you're way over exaggerating the characters flaws. Konata is a psycho maniac? Kagami is a psycho bitch?
  • DonZabuDonZabu
    >Your waifu is someone who you have to worry about every fucking time she coughs and anyway is probably doing the nasty with Rei Ayanami.

    Wonder if there's any fanart of that...
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Moe why do you fluff your analogies and arguments when a single two-point sentence is perfectly fine?
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Cuz my brain won't shut up.
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I still want to know how Kagami is a psycho bitch and how Konata is a psycho maniac.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I am too tired and need to sleep soon, so I am going to read the rest of this thread tomorrow.

    In the meantime...

    > Then maybe I'll either be happy, or else start bitching about Japanese stupidity instead.

    Ten bucks on the latter.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Bet you IJBM over it, Glenn. 

    ;D
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ..|..
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    Doesn't LongFellow own IJBM?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Yes, but Longfellow doesn't come around here anymore, so...I get control over Glenn's place as admin if he loses the bet
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    I still want to know how Kagami is a psycho bitch and how Konata is a psycho maniac.


    Admittedly the former is more drawn out in the manga.

    "Misao thoughtlessly grabbed a bit of my shirt, EEEK! *slap*" --keep in mind Misao isn't even a guy.

    As for Konata: "I beat up a foreigner for asking Tsukasa directions! And I'm proud of it!"

    Also, I might have been exaggerating slightly since I was on a time limit yesterday (I still am, but a lot less of one).
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I think that scene with Konata being proud of beating up that guy--at least, according to the animé--shows that Konata is more oblivious than actually malicious.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    This is all kind of missing the point. The point is, Lucky Star is often brought up as an example of "pandering," and yet, how is it?

    Which goes back to the greater issue of what exactly defines "pandering" and why I should believe its a real thing and not a bullshit dismissal that people come up with whenever they can't find a real flaw.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    The point is, Lucky Star is often brought up as an example of "pandering," and yet, how is it?
    Because everyone who watched it and didn't like it said it was, so people will agree with them.

    why I should believe its a real thing
    You don't have to.

    and not a bullshit dismissal that people come up with whenever they can't find a real flaw.
    What's a "real" flaw?
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-07-31 15:15:33
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Pandering is like pornography; it's an "I know it when I see it" thing.  It involves an inference of intent of the creator.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    edited 2011-08-01 05:22:45
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    That's the thing though. I don't want to hear "inferences" that are based on little more than "I don't like it."

    I mean, I could accuse Deedlit (Record of Lodoss War) of being pandering--she seems far more obvious to me than any moeblob--but then, that's an anime I consider one of the worst pieces of shit to ever come out of any country ever, so I'm biased.

    And a "real" flaw is something like "What the hell is supposed to be the joke here? I don't get it." or "Man, there's way too many panels devoted to Konata's dad." or "For some reason volume six crashes on me at around page 36."

    Though, if that last one is really happening, I'd say you've got big problems...
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-08-01 11:34:23
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Okay, I promised a more thorough reply, and I composed it in my head last night after heading to bed.

    Let's say you have a scene where a superhero/superheroine uses super strength to stop a speeding jetliner that's just landed (and too fast) from running off the runway.

    What possible perspectives would your camera (or "camera" if animated) focus on?
    * basic picture of human-sized character pushing against the front wheels of the jetliner.
    * jetliner's wheels.
    * character's hands pushing against jetliner, side view.
    * front view of character's face, showing strained facial expression.
    * back view just above character, showing hands pushing against wheels and dipped head.
    * character's feet, sliding backwards on the pavement, possibly with sparks or smoke.
    * a perspective shot showing how far the jetliner is from the end of the runway or whatever it might crash into.

    When, instead, we're getting pictures of the character's crotch, butt, or (especially if female) bust, then it's safe to say that counts as fanservice (which is by definition pandering).
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Now see, that's a good objective standard. Too bad more people don't have one.

    (though, it makes me wonder why there's so many seemingly-pointless butt-focus scenes in My Little Pony).
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Little kids think butts are funny.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Yeah, that wouldn't fall under the subcategory of (sexual) fanservice, but could fall under the broader category of pandering.
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