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Doctor Who fans who say they hate superheroes.

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  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-07-28 10:17:56
    You can change. You can.
    It does annoy me how New Who sometimes devolves into everybody talking about how great and awesome the Doctor is. One of the reasons I prefer the old series--he's always treated as just a person by people who don't know who he is, a particularly skilled person by his friends and a particularly annoying person by his enemies.

    It's not as if the new series doesn't do that (Midnight comes to mind). But the thing is that the Doctor is special. He's the last Time Lord, he's the last known alien with the capability to time travel. And probably the only one who does it for good. He is special, and it'd be unrealistic for the people who know who and what he is to treat him just as normal. Of course, this condition is not existent during the old series, so the same standarads can't be applied.

    . Doctor Who normally has tight continuity

    This is a series which motto is "Canon is only what the writers remember"

    Doctor Who was always written by an ensemble of writers, while most comics are controlled by a specific writer or team for years on end.

    Nope. Comics are written by an editorial/writing ensemble. 52 and JLI are examples of that. Not to mention that the universe's canon and planning are plotted on staff meetings, and then the specific comics that are involved in said plot are then scripted by the specific writer you just mentioned. 

    And those aren't interpretations--when he dies, he becomes a new person.

    Regardless of what the Tenth Doctor says, he doesn't. He may have a new body, and even new and different personality quirks, but he's still the same time lord of always. The same man who fought the Time War and the same man who's always on the run.

    If he really was a different person, one of his reincarnations would have stopped being a drifter. Or at least, would have reestructures his life in some shape or form.

  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    edited 2011-07-28 10:45:10
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Well okay, but still, "I'm the Doctor! Look me up!" *shadows instantly back away in sheer terror* is just ridiculous.

    I'm not sure how things work on New Who, but the old one's system was that each serial (and note that there were usually like six serials a season) was written beginning to end by one guy, it would be turned in to Verity Lambert or whoever who would suggest the necessary edits to make it fit in with the current season. Comics, meanwhile, are Chris Claremont or whoever will write an issue a month with I'm not sure how much editorial oversight, until Chris Claremont just gets tired of writing the book and leaves, at which point someone gets over. They're not really similar systems.

    The thing is, it's pointless to try and claim that a regeneration, and a "different interpretation" of a comic character, are at all the same thing. In the latter case they're brought about by something Doylist, in the former they're brought about by something Watsonian.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-07-28 10:49:59
    You can change. You can.
    Well okay, but still, "I'm the Doctor! Look me up!" *shadows instantly back away in sheer terror* is just ridiculous.

    Taking into account that the Vashta Nerada had access to all recorded history, and the doctor asked them to check his "curriculum", so to speak...well, I have to say that it doesn't look particularly ridiculous from here. 

    I'm not sure how things work on New Who, but the old one's system was that each serial was written beginning to end by one guy, it would be turned in to Verity Lambert or whoever who would suggest the necessary edits to make it fit in with the current season.

    That's sorta how it works in comics, actually.

    See, first, they (All the current writers for the canon DCU/Marvel Universe and editors) meet. Then, they all plot in conjunction, then they're asked to script the plots accordingly and then the scripts are presented to editors to see what works.

     Comics, meanwhile, are Chris Claremont or whoever will write an issue a month with I'm not sure how much editorial oversight, until Chris Claremont just gets tired of writing the book and leaves, at which point someone gets over. They're not really similar systems.

    It depends on the editor's will. Some guys like Claremont do get an amazing amount of freedom. And well, it's not unjustified, taking into account he made the X-Men succesful beyond Marvel's wildest dreams. 

    Also, Claremont didn't write alone. Keith Giffen was there, you know.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    edited 2011-07-28 11:16:47
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    How does it not look ridiculous? They had him surrounded, there was nothing he could've done to stop them.. but they backed off because they knew his reputation. Okay, admittedly maybe they weren't so much scared of him as they wanted to see if he would really reach some sort of mutually-beneficial compromise, but that doesn't explain when the Daleks or other obviously-hostile alien species behave exactly the same way.

    I don't really see how a system where one or two writers do every story until they get replaced is all that similar to a system where pretty much people submit their scripts and the editor sees if they can work it in.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I don't really see how a system where one or two writers do every story is all that similar to a system where pretty much people submit their scripts and the editor sees if they can work it in.

    Because it's not just one or two writers. Like I said, they all meet, and say, X is writing Batman and Y is writing Superman. Y is presenting his idea for the most recent Superman plot. Then X can easily give his input, what he thinks of it, etc etc and then Z, who writes Green Lantern, can give his as well. The editor keeps them in check and explains the general DCU current plotline. 

    After said meeting, they all go to their office and script the thing. But the plot is decided on meetings. 

    How does it not look ridiculous? They had him surrounded, there was nothing he could've done to stop them.. but they backed off because they knew his reputation. Okay, admittedly maybe they weren't so much scared of him as they wanted to see if he would really reach some sort of mutually-beneficial compromise, but that doesn't explain when the Daleks or other obviously-hostile alien species behave exactly the same way.

    The Daleks know him as the "incoming storm", you know. As for other species, well, they've fought him. They know what's coming. That's basically why the Stonehenge speech works wonderfully  [[especially as a subversion]. It's all the Doctor's enemies seeing and knowing that this man can fight back. And win. Even without weapons. Hell, especially without weapons.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    That's still not really a similar system, dude. Very few of the writers for Doctor Who are specifically retained to write for Doctor Who, while the comic writers are specifically retained to write comics.

    See, I get that the Doctor is supposed to be wise and clever. But they just don't play it very credibly and often it comes off as less "clever" and more "bullshit." and any time the Doctor coasts on his reputation to gain a breather is an example of that. (though, I want to see that Stonehenge episode now).
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Not necessarilly. do you have any idea how many stuff an comic writer can be writing at the same time? There was a time when Grant Morrison was writing three/four comics at the same time. Of course, admittedly, the comparison doesn't work because Doctor Who is just a series whereas the DCU is a franchise, so I can see your point. 

    The Pandorica Opens is probably my favorite Nu Who episode so far.




  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    Well you see, the biggest advantage Superman has over the Doctor, is that Superman's shows weren't retarded.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Hey, Fireworks! Look what the doctor thinks of your opinion on his show:

  • inkblotinkblot
    edited 2011-07-28 12:05:16
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    "It does annoy me how New Who sometimes devolves into everybody talking about how great and awesome the Doctor is."

    To be fair, that's mostly an RTD thing. Moffat held out from doing it until the 6th season, and even then it was toned down.

    ^ That wasn't necessary.
  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    Aw, he so cute.

    No but really, I found Doctor Who incredibly stupid, so I don't think anyone has to guess where my opinion on the Doctor/Superman scale lies.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    ^ That wasn't necessary.

    Is any use of a macro particularly necessary? Besides, I don't see what's so wrong with showing disagreement in a jokingly agressive fashion.

    No but really, I found Doctor Who incredibly stupid, so I don't think anyone has to guess where my opinion on the Doctor/Superman scale lies.

    Meh, to me saying that Doctor Who is stupid in its whole 60/70 year span is like saying that Superman is stupid in its entirety. 
  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    Well I haven't really seen much of the old stuff, I was talking about the new series.

    What I will give the old (and I think the original, but don't quote me there) one is that it had an amazing theme song.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    @ pic: I count 3.
  • Super LazuliSuper Lazuli
    yea i make potions if ya know what i mean
    So we now know the Doctor gives exactly three fucks.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Fireworks: Admittedly, the new series is very hit or miss and it has incredibly inconsistent quality. 

    I personally just recommend season 5, specially as it is an introduction season, so it doesn't really rely on established canon. 

    @Cygan: But are they fucking? If the flames are not fucking, then they don't count. 
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    The two on the right look like they are.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Ok, OK, I'll bring in another one:

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    His hair looks greasy. He now reminds me of Snape.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Reminds me of

  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    O_O

    do not want
  • ForzareForzare
    edited 2011-07-28 12:28:22
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    @Juan: X3

    Voldemort one made me lol
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Well I haven't really seen much of the old stuff, I was talking about the new series.

    What I will give the old (and I think the original, but don't quote me there) one is that it had an amazing theme song.


    Yes, the Doctor Who theme song is cool (and yes, all the themes since then are variations of the original theme from the 1960s. Go to Youtube and look up "Doctor Who Ultimate Mix" if you want to see a collage of all of them).

    One thing both Doctor Who and Superman have in common is that the further back you go, the better they get. Call me crazy but I find the Golden Age Superman stories to be the best ones. I especially loved the one about the orphanage that was grafting its costs and using the kids as child labor. Seriously that's some WTF shit right there. I wish they'd tell more stories like *that* instead of the kind they do now.

    I used to also really like the novel "The Death and Life of Superman," but having recently re-read it, it wasn't as good as I remembered, especially as it had a few "typical comic book problems."
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