How all the interesting discussions get locked...

MillerCross

Argh. 

Here's my take on all of this. Hope you don't mind me stealing a couple of secs of your time.

Anyway, I agree with something Addict said that was basically that the people who come and make a thread all about them are the ones that should be weeded out. Either via an attitude change or a ban, because really, when we have 5 discussions that may as well be titled "X troper's Y attitudes/opinions annoys me", then we're doing something wrong. Not only is it wrong, but we're probably starting to harm what I consider our only strong point over many forums (Topic variety)

Now, this doesn't mean that Soti Coto and Chagen (Who're, after all, the worst offenders, in my opinion, if I'm allowed to be blunt as well) don't get to express their opinions, much less keep them to themselves. The matter here, is a matter of presentation. A matter of how you say things. Chagen's OTT-ness makes it harder to discuss with him and not only that, but his refusal to listen and accept diff' POVs makes it easier for a topic to descend into a Chagen Shitstorm^tm.. Whereas Soti Coto's general philosophy of people being crap and life not being worthy being presented in such a non-serious, pseudo comic fashion is bound to offend people and make them try to discuss it.

So, my proposal is to simply tell this people to please...reconsider your attitudes. Not for the sake of yourselves (As you really don't seem to care) but for the sake of keeping this place as interesting as possible.

MadassAlex

The responsibility of what I say is mine. 
The responsibility of how you take it and react to it is yours.

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Except that this is your fallback. You can makes claims about your intent all day, but your behaviour and attitude speak otherwise. 

Obviously, there's a couple of different things that could be going on here:

- Either you're exactly as I said above and hide behind the wall of interpretation to protect yourself.

- You're not intelligent enough to convey your ideas in a way that isn't consistently misunderstood. 

Pick an option, and don't even begin to claim that we're too unintelligent to understand what you're trying to convey, because a part of intelligence in presentation is understanding your audience. 

Also, loveheart for Vorpy, <3, because that's one of the best trollresponses with a hidden real response I've seen in a long time. 

Chagen

I'm trying to get better.

Soti doesn't seem to be.

Vorpy

So proving you wrong is as easy as showing you my genitals?
I'm not really sure you want to go there.
And
for the record, betamale would imply I was second in the hierarchy. As
far as I'm concerned I'm not even in the hierarchy... way out somewhere
perpendicular to omega in a snowdrift somewhere. But sure. Overhype me
if you like.

IN THIS REPLY: TRACES OF SUPER MAD

You can't refute my points, baka. I am superior to you, due to the fact that, not only can your points fall dead upon me, but because I was right before I even read this thread. You can't win dude. You are wrong, no need to be MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD* about it.

* Translator's Note:  MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD stands for frustrated

And it doesn't matter if you show me your genitals anyway since they are sooooooooooooooo tiny I would be able to................-dramatic sting- SEE THEM.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

MillerCross

Bah, fucking ninjas everywhere.

Vorpy

No responses for longer than a minute

Well IJBM, It looks like I was right.

SotiCoto

Not sure what you mean by "it", but I'll let you know that I could simply have ignored my admin position here at IJBM and let it die a silly, flamey death.  I chose not to.

If you're running your own place set your own rules and enjoy them.  And I'll enjoy my freedom to choose whether to join.  You'll also enjoy your freedom to choose whether I should be allowed on your site, should I join it.

It means I've been an admin. I've ran my own place. Did very well for a few years... and then it eventually died, as everywhere does. People moved on. I'm done being an admin, and it isn't half as tough as folks make it out to be. If it were, Ultio never would have taken off.

That doesn't mean that it isn't annoying to see a new post, expect something relevant to the discussion, and be thrown for a loop by the fact that it contains nothing but useless mockery or somesuch.  So some people like certain rules because it makes it easier to get to the damn point and stick with it.

Disappointment is a part of life. I'm not sure what to make of folks who charge all over the place trying to stop things from being disappointing. Seems futile. I suppose I feel sorry for them, but slightly envy their idealism. I just let the disappointment happen and move on. Is that so bad?
I don't know how different it is for happyshiny people. Is everything exactly to or better than expectations in happyland? I dunno. Not entirely sure such a place even exists. That shit happens is something I take for granted.

...wait, what does your mother have to do with this, and is your mother a professional Pokémon trainer or a professional poultry farmer?

Yes.

Well, then I guess we'll just have to ban you if you ignore the rules and cause problems because of it.

Yup. I guess so. I've been banned from a lot of places. Ain't fun, but the alternative would be me not being myself. And not being myself is no fun whatsoever, so I'd just leave anyway. I hope it doesn't come to that, as I've got no ill feelings towards you guys, even if that is a one-way deal.

As I said, get off your high horse.

You told me to "fix it" first. Should I say the same back to you? I'm trying to be nice here, y'know.

No, your "high horse" has to do with how you feel that you're so much smarter and more skilled than everyone else at dealing with wordly affairs, how you've got a vastly better method for understanding people, how your approach to people is so much wiser than those of others, how the advice you offer to others on how to deal with people and opinions and drama is much better than anything else anyone else does,...oh, and what was that about "mundies"? and talking down to Chagen in just the post above this one?

My conclusion that I'm not quite as insanely stupid and awful as most folk is no concern of yours. It has no objective meaning. Why are you getting worked up about it (I presume, maybe falsely, but don't we all?), not to mention exaggerating it to the Nth degree?
As to Chagen... I put a great deal of effort into NOT being as insulting as I believe what he said warranted. Don't belittle that. Belittling my attempts to be nice, polite and decent is what leads to me not wanting to bother because it doesn't seem to make a difference anyway. The kid's liver is in the right place, but everyone says silly things sometimes. Sometimes really silly things.

And again. Mundies are what I personally call non-auts. And I can assume any attempts to deliberately read extra derogatory meanings into it are just signs of a victim-complex.

MadassAlex

And I can assume any attempts to deliberately read extra derogatory meanings into it are just signs of a victim-complex.

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SotiCoto

Vorpy. I was trying to wall of text to GMH. 
Heard of patience?  v_v;

Anyway. I'm enjoying this. I probably shouldn't be. Attention-whoring is a bad habit of mine. But it does put me in a catch-22 situation where trying to reassert the topic will be seen as an attempt at escape (an assumption I'd personally pin on that mundie tendency to read into things what isn't actually written, or just plain take things to their favour without basis)...

So...

"Whereas Soti Coto's general philosophy of people being crap and life not being worthy being presented in such a non-serious, pseudo comic fashion is bound to offend people and make them try to discuss it."

<3 <3 <3   Heh... and how much worse would it be if I WAS serious about things? Hmm?  I'd probably be in prison for one thing, so... meh.

Except that this is your fallback. You can makes claims about your intent all day, but your behaviour and attitude speak otherwise. 

They don't. You might be hearing it, but I ain't saying it. And don't even think about assuming you know what I'm saying better than I do.

 

"Also, loveheart for Vorpy, <3, because that's one of the best trollresponses with a hidden real response I've seen in a long time. 

There was a real response in there?

I sorta switched off after the penis things. Y'know, as one does when folks get trolling.
Contemplating going and reading it to look for hidden message.... but... I don't really have any incentive to.

 

Bugger.... formatting error. Damnit.

glennmagusharvey

> Disappointment is a part of life. I'm not sure what to make of folks who charge all over the place trying to stop things from being disappointing. Seems futile. I suppose I feel sorry for them, but slightly envy their idealism. I just let the disappointment happen and move on. Is that so bad?

The problem isn't disappointment, my friend.

The problem is one of efficiency.

> I don't know how different it is for happyshiny people. Is everything exactly to or better than expectations in happyland? I dunno. Not entirely sure such a place even exists. That shit happens is something I take for granted.

Here's your flaw, you think that people who disagree with you are in "happyshiny people" in "happyland", thus making yourself seem oh-so-dark-and-edgy-and-mature and trying some sort of "nothing matters in the end" view of the world.

Well, I'll have you know that I live not in "happyland" but in "Get Stuff Done Land".  How about that.

> My conclusion that I'm not quite as insanely stupid and awful as most folk is no concern of yours.

This by itself is no concern of mine.  Your raising this implication all over the place and subsequently annoying people with it is.

> And I can assume any attempts to deliberately read extra derogatory meanings into it are just signs of a victim-complex.

Or you could lay off on the meta-analysis and stop assuming that you're the only enlightened one and everyone else is a fool confined to intellectual darkness.

MadassAlex

It's not that I know better than anyone else. It's just that you're so out of the loop that you might not even realise that you're doing it, especially given your interpersonal capacities or lack thereof. 

MillerCross

<3 <3 <3 Heh... and how much worse would it be if I WAS serious about things? Hmm? I'd probably be in prison for one thing, so... meh.

I'm talking about your forum post. I don't give a damn about how you're serious in real life or not. 

Chagen

Madass, what the hell did that picture on grammatical number have to do with the conversation at hand?

MadassAlex

It was post-modern appropriation rubbish, Chagen.

Iaculus

@Iaculus.. I've got two problems with that. Quite serious problems.
#1.
"Tact" never struck me as much more than an excuse for deception. I've
got no problem trying to be nice, but it'd be a hot day in Niflheim
before I start lying for the sake of someone else's feelings.

Ah, so that's why every time you order a taxi, you suggest that the driver kill themselves?

Tact is not deception. It's knowing when your opinions are unwelcome and unnecessary, and thus failing to air them. In other words, learning when to keep quiet. You do not have a moral obligation to go off on a genocidal rant every time you open your mouth, and if you fail to understand this, then I suspect you lack the basic communications skills required to use a forum.

#2. I
don't want to live under a double-standard stacked 100% against me. Not
only do people not guard against my idiosyncracies when talking to me
(and generally I wouldn't expect them to know, since I don't know
theirs), but I get actively mocked for it. In and of itself, that
wouldn't bother me... but that I'm entirely forbidden from showing the
same disregard / obliviousness in return is unacceptable. All is fine.
Nothing is fine. But that society takes it for granted that I should be
its bitch is just absurd.

You want to wipe out humanity. I think the average human might have some small personal objection to this.

MillerCross

As I teeldeered almost the whole thread, may I ask who said that, Iaculus?

Vorpy

Vorpy. I was trying to wall of text to GMH. 
Heard of patience?  v_v;

It's nearly impossible for me to convey patience or waiting on the internet, which can be also said of sarcasm, sincerity and dietary fiber, which means, no. Because patience doesn't exist in a tangible form on the internet. It's simple, you took too long to post, and I addressed it. See? I won again.

I'd probably be in prison for one thing, so... meh.

It's only "meh" because your asshole would end up being a stargate from all of the vato cock being drilled up in there. If there were other incinuating circumstances, the answer could be "Yes sir I would like some more" or "OH FUCK YOUR HITTING MY WOMB".

There was a real response in there?

I totally fucking called it. I flew right over your head as I totally dickstomped you and made you go "wat". Any VASTLY INTELLIGENT PERSONS would have been able to refute my points even if they were stupid ones, or ones that were cryptic or semi-guttural, but since you couldn't even do that it says a lot about your inability to refute and counter other's points, looks like we need more training in being smart boi, you should go back to loser school and get a dish of free loser school food and go to your free loser classes so you can spend more of your pathetic life being..............wait for it..............a luzr.

I sorta switched off after the penis things. Y'know, as one does when folks get trolling.
Contemplating going and reading it to look for hidden message.... but... I don't really have any incentive to.

That's because I made you butthurt and totally offended you because YOU KNOW how small your PENIS is.

meta-analysis

Thanks a lot for using that word. Now my armpits are going to smell like dick.

Iaculus

^^ Soti. Halfway up Page 2.

All Nines

Gah. So much condescension in here, where do I even begin? I feel like I don't even have enough fingers to point, so I won't point any.

Look, Soti, as I said somewhat differently before, the problem you have isn't one of holding an unconventional opinion, or hating the majority of people. It's you patronizing our users and jeopardizing serious conversations with your callous disregard for our expectations. And as Iaculus said, there really is an issue of some things being better off unheard. Damn near every community you'll find is going to have standards to adhere to. If you don't like those standards, it comes down to you either making a decision to follow those rules, or the moderation's decision to remove you from the community. That's just how it is.

And Vorpy, please quit it with the troll replies, it's not endearing. At least to me, it isn't.

MillerCross

Oh, thanks.

Anyway...

 Because patience doesn't exist in a tangible form on the internet.

Patience is tangible in real life?

^Agreed with this whole post. In fact, imagine I said it.

SotiCoto

The problem isn't disappointment, my friend.

The problem is one of efficiency.

Isn't that the progenitor of the "must cleanse the universe" line of thinking?
I mean heck, it isn't my cup of tea so I don't really understand it, and thus I suppose it ain't worth criticising, but still. The universe WILL cleanse itself eventually.

Here's your flaw, you think that people who disagree with you are in "happyshiny people" in "happyland", thus making yourself seem oh-so-dark-and-edgy-and-mature and trying some sort of "nothing matters in the end" view of the world.

... Where's the flaw? I mean aside from you putting "mature" in there. Lawlz. ^_^  I ain't anything like mature.
As far as I can see, folk who don't see the world as a festering shithole are... well, completely alien to me. I don't get them at all. And calling them happyshiny isn't offensive, is it?   (Well, somebody might find it so, but how could anyone predict that?) ...

Well, I'll have you know that I live not in "happyland" but in "Get Stuff Done Land".  How about that.

Can I call mine "try to get stuff done but keep failing land" then? I can't imagine it is the same stuff though.

This by itself is no concern of mine.  Your raising this implication all over the place and subsequently annoying people with it is.

HOLD... That word. We've been over this!
Did you know that the Japanese word for Rose is the same as the Welsh word for Bread? ... But if I'm speaking Welsh, I sure as fuck don't mean Rose when I say it. Get what I'm saying? Metaphorically speaking, as opposed to the usual literal?

Or you could lay off on the meta-analysis and stop assuming that you're the only enlightened one and everyone else is a fool confined to intellectual darkness.

To stop assuming that I'd have to start assuming that. Do you want me to start assuming that? I'm not sure I'm capable of it. Besides, I like dark. It doesn't hurt the eyes. How could it confine anyone? Your analogy puzzles me.

Vorpy

oh shit I forgot I was replying to Everest Im sorry

Iaculus

^^^ Oh yes. I'm chewing a big glob of it as we speak.

MillerCross

Care to share, man?

I'm running low on it here.

All Nines

"oh shit I forgot I was replying to Everest Im sorry"

I'm having a little trouble parsing this. >.>

Vorpy

I accidentally replied to you with a troll response thinking you were Soti.

MillerCross

you should have just done it, damn it. 

SotiCoto

It's not that I know better than anyone else. It's just that you're so out of the loop that you might not even realise that you're doing it, especially given your interpersonal capacities or lack thereof.

I get me. It is you guys I don't understand. Heck, "me" is the only subject I DO know.

It's nearly impossible for me to convey patience or waiting on the internet, which can be also said of sarcasm, sincerity and dietary fiber, which means, no. Because patience doesn't exist in a tangible form on the internet. It's simple, you took too long to post, and I addressed it. See? I won again.

If you say so, deary. Ain't my place to deprive you of a hollow victory. I love me a good hollow victory sometimes too. ^_^

^^ Soti. Halfway up Page 2.

I'll get back to that. Kinda busy responding now. I didn't actually ask for all this attention, but I'm sure as hell determined to address as much of it as I can. Not complaining.

Look, Soti, as I said somewhat differently before, the problem you have isn't one of holding an unconventional opinion, or hating the majority of people. It's you patronizing our users and jeopardizing serious conversations with your callous disregard for our expectations.

Because usually the expectations seem to require some sort of foresight I'm not blessed with? That somehow you assume I have any control, or desire for control, over the inferences people draw out of the aether whenever I say anything... thus getting blamed for "implying" things that I don't, keep telling you I don't, never have, never will, and have all but given up trying to convince people don't exist? It ain't a secret code or anything. And there is no rhyme nor reason as I see it to the inferences people make.

I'd really like to get on with you guys... but suddenly everything becomes magical random interpretation time the moment I hit the "Post Comment" button and everyone gets to work conjuring fantasy meanings out of their butts or whatever.

Even THAT. That which I said right there. It isn't a criticism. It is simply bafflement. It is someone seeing something happening and not having the first effing clue how or why it is happening when logic dictates that it shouldn't. But folks will probably take it as a criticism or insult anyway, because near as I can tell folks take most things as criticism or insult, and I tired myself out years ago trying to predict it.

 

All Nines

^^^ Oh. Okay.

SotiCoto

Oh, and despite my generally ignoring the content of Vorpy's trolling...  I simultaneously find it rather comforting that it is happening.

Thanks Vorpy. ^_^