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Jobs that society sees as low brow, mainly those that don't require a tertiary education (including industries with apprenticeships and workman's certifications that take 6 months to a year), but that pay really well.
For example, plumber's in the US make an average of mid five-figures for well... plumbing/installation work. This is a couple of thousand -about $2k- above the average wage ($51,688 according to this), and much higher than a lot of other service industries which are mid-low five figures.
It's actually higher than some teaching and admin positions at certain universities.
I like this one.
Oh yeah this is an images thread.
It doesn't exactly matter what that job pays when the person looking for it doesn't have a job.
The way you took mental leaps to get the point of "bullying them to voting the right way" is amazing.
Congratulations on complaining about minutiae and missing the point of the image.
No one set up this ridiculous strawman but you.
lolwut
It's important to point out that you took the mention of mining as some sort of insult to the dignity of miners, whereas that wasn't even the point.
That's not a flipside. Just because government doesn't make profit (which is what you meant) doesn't mean it should become a financially unsound tap of free cash for whatever programs you want.
It frequently does.
I've gone in every direction to explain how mine workers aren't desperate and now you're arguing "oh it doesn't matter that they're paid more than average Australians of every sort" in about seven separate nonsensical directions.
I bet the person who made that image doesn't even know miners get paid that much and didn't even consider it being a possibility.
I'm not the one arguing "mining jobs aren't ethically sound and it's a problem if somebody takes them aside from if they think 'I really super really want to work in a mine'" and we act as if money isn't a factor in determining what risk somebody is willing to take on (which you keep arguing is exploitative on the basis that the job exists and is more dangerous than average).
The point remains "miners and others aren't voting the way I want and clearly it's because of their low-brow jobs."
I'm not arguing that either but you created the strawman version of me that does so.
as if just because something might not be exploitative all the time means that it can never be exploitative
Because the point here is "people who are desperate are more easily exploited" and your counterargument is "but mine work isn't exploitation because on average they pay well!" (as if money solves all problems, and as if mining was even the point of this whole shebang). Plus "and you're saying that mine workers are lowbrow!" which is entirely irrelevant, not to mention wrong.
Also something about how miners vote, which came out of nowhere.
I mean, the image has a problem with the fact that people's economic concerns are important and states that this is a "distraction", implying that these are not the "real" issues to tackle and that someone whose livelihood isn't as impacted by that would tend to be better politically-minded. I wouldn't go so far as to go from there to "low-brow jobs" but it's not coming out of nowhere.
I think the issue is that you seem to be foocusing on the top two thirds, i.e. the jobs part, while wings is taking issue with the bottom third (and the miners thing), i.e. the politics part.
I took those to basically be examples of "long-term problems" or more generally "issues where citizens might be amenable to better policy on if they weren't having economic disasters looming over their heads".
For example, a person who is (or whose kids are) starving might steal crops to obtain food, in a way that a person who isn't wouldn't. In their desperation, they could be convinced to take and/or support short-term measures that don't have good effects on society in the long term. We can extend this example further, such as staking claims to land (on which a person can farm) which might not be rightfully (at least legally, even if not necessarily morally, since the latter can be more complicated depending on the person and the land) theirs, and then defending their claimed land by force, and so on -- and laws that might enable such things, or the repeal of laws that prevent such things.
Similar things can be said with the other things: for example, one could be convinced to support the position of "my business is doing badly, and demands for handicapped accessibility might cost me, so, down with any suggestions regarding that!", rather than "regulations like these can be a good idea so that handicapped people aren't screwed out of things being inaccessible, but care should be taken in implementing those regulations so that they don't unfairly burden businesses, such as businesses that are struggling, so let's try to find some way to accommodate different parties' needs".
I guess fourteenwings seems to be interpreting this as some sort of compulsion to follow a political orthodoxy, whereas I don't.
Doesn't he everything?
Also, I did not intend to post anything like this, but I accidentally stumbled upon this picture while searching my memefeed for something to spice up this post, and this is just asking to be here:
So, now on to serious issues:
These two are about the best I could find. Folksies are too stoked up on this cyberpunk game. (Well, that and the fact I already posted whatever was older than a few hours.)
Meanwhile, what's the game with the giant map?
First of all, I really don't appreciate profanity directed at me, especially in the context of a friendly argument.
Mainly though I've explained my position about four or five times and even with your new post we're clearly just circling a wheel of disagreement so I'm going to let this go.
I'm not the one who has settled on repackaging Elizabeth Warren's signature "That's a Republican talking point." as if it's an actual argument.
There is no better twitter user than the guy who can't make his point unless he caps the article (or tweet) rather than directly linking to it (or retweeting/replying).
Funnily enough the article is also Australian. Australia is causing us a lot of controversy this week.
Main point; economy recovery is confidence in the market returning putting market caps back where they were pre-March 2020. That's what the "growth" is. The rest of the economy operates on real amounts rather than imagined purchase prices, so it can't ever emulate that "growth".
Little less snappy for the socialists, no?
It also mentions how Australia apparently already takes in a lot of immigrants:
I understand that most immigrants are not refugees, but that makes the point quite wobbly (you try telling somebody who wants to immigrate to Australia that they should let somebody else have the slot).
Well, congrats gacek, you gots me.
Unrelatedly it must be annoying to settle on a URL and then in a few years some teeny-boppers decide "smh" is slang.
Should I respond to fourteenwings's post here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janusz_Korwin-Mikke
The dude is highly popular among... well, around here we call this segment of demographic "the ponies". Young, male, in high school or studying (typically engineering or computer science), fond of heavy metal music ("ponies" as in "ponytails"), fantasy literature, and video games, with a tendency for radical right-wing politics of various sorts... Generally the kind of folks you could call "gamers" or "incels" and you'd probably be right.
(I wash my hands if someone feels this description hits too close to home.)
At this point it's hard to say how serious it is; things have long passed the boundaries of Poe's law. (There's been a Shrek is Love-inspired video that against all logic was apparently meant to be interpreted as praising the guy.)
No relation to Bronies then?
I assure you I'm not an incel.
This guy's insane and I'm kinda here for it.
I assure you, if you lived in here, had you come to One True Way any earlier you'd be all over the guy. Who knows, perhaps you'd be all over the guy anyway.
As for the Brony angle, there is no relation, although I would not be surprised if plenty of them watched the show. (Presumably drawing interpretations along the lines of "Angry Birds is a metaphor of refugee crisis", but still.)
Going by my experience there has to be at least one of these guys who is at least built like a tank and posts gym selfies every other day.
When you find me dakimuras of that guy I'll be sure to become a white supremacist on the spot.
These were the only character designs in the Arpeggio anime that made me think "yep, those sure are shipgirls".
"UNDRESS"
Yup.
Is that because the uniforms look slightly more totalitarian?
I meant that "Japanese heavy cruisers = student council" is sort of in line with Azur Lane logic, especially since they're the Myoukou class, and AL's Myoukou looks like
On a vaguely relevant note, you can make Yukikaze into her Chinese version in Kancolle, but not in Azur Lane