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What exactly is incorrect about my idea of freedom.

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  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    They just outsource... To a different country that does not have those regulations. If they did, there would be nowhere to outsource to, because it would be against regulations. That's not your government's fault.

    Most owners do not beat their horses, though. You are cutting off the head to cure the headache.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Well it curse the ehadache doesn't it? Why aere you so trusting of the state and think its somehow mroe benevolent then anything else? Like the government will be your savior onh they're so good they help the poor and protect us from bad peoples they're nothing like those ebul corporations. To me they're the same exact entity.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Yeah, but it also leaves you dead. As in, unable to do anything, ever.

    The government has not shown itself to be willing to do anything to harm  me, Tnu. It has not taken so much money from me that I cannot afford to feed myself; it has not stormed into my house unprovoked; it does not monitor my every move.

    What it has done is pay for the majority of my education. It has payed for my visits to the doctor. It has paid for the medicine that keeps me alive. It has built the roads I travel on, it has built the hospital that has saved my life several times, it funds the school that has educated me. It is taking me away from the people around me who abuse me.

    The government has not shown itself to be a bad entity, while it has shown itself to do good things.
  • FrodoGoofballCoTVFrodoGoofballCoTV
    edited 2011-06-28 00:44:31

    ^x3  What we must find is an owner who will not mistreat us.

  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    edited 2011-06-28 00:45:41
    as yes Public Education as in government run schools. Just another word for brainwashing. Not to mention I can't help the feeling that governmetn sucks at doing these thigns and forces everyoen to buy the same services whether they use them or not. Also Cygan I feel unable to trust you specifically for two reasons.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Public Education as in government run schools. Just another word for brainwashing. 

    -sigh- Whatever, Tnu.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    edited 2011-06-28 00:48:27
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    I might be more worried about brainwashing if American schools seemed competent at teaching things more complex than the alphabet.
  • BobBob
    ^
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Well you have this sort of slavish devotion to the state I have difficulty seeing them as anything but an other corporation. what makes them different?  I have decent reasons for not trusting you also. I know for a fact that you don't like me. I also know that your a mod.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I might be more worried about brainwashing if American schools seemed competent at teaching things more complex than the alphabet.

    Yep. Same goes for Australia.

    what makes them different?

    They have different goals in mind. Corporations aim for self-preservation and profitability. Governments aim to preserve the public.

    I have decent reasons for not trusting you also. I know for a fact that you don't like me. I also know that your a mod.

    Good for you.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    edited 2011-06-28 00:55:12
    I don't trust that governmetns aim to preserve the public. They're just as self-itnerested as anyone else. They want to make money, they want to suppress the rights of the people, they want to controle others. It's not that different. Also keeping those factors in mind Cygan why exactly should I trust you?
  • CommandoDudeCommandoDude
    CRIMINAL SCUM!
    What you don't seem to get, is that rights are not "Inherent"

    They are a social construction, formed by societies. Humans create communities for mutual benefit, with that, a structure for organizing it is necessary. In order to create rights that benefit a community, authority is required and force must be applied to ensure an enforcement of said rights.

    You can go on and on about your "Rights" but that don't mean shit at the end of some guy's gun. And before you say "I can protect myself" No. You can't. Because people will band together to take what's yours, unless a lawful authority can maintain order.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    So better to have the lawful authority take what's mine?
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    Whats yours is yours because of a society that enforces a right for you to have those things.

    In an unlawful society, your things would only be yours if you could protect it from the others who want it.
  • FrodoGoofballCoTVFrodoGoofballCoTV
    edited 2011-06-28 01:03:27

    What you don't seem to get, is that rights are not "Inherent"

    If rights don't exist outside the state, then is it not not perfectly moral for a state to take away all the peoples' rights, because then they don't have rights?

  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Why even bother living with that sort of Outlook CommandoDude it's depressing as all hell.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Also keeping those factors in mind Cygan why exactly should I trust you?

    -shrug-

    Have I done anything with my mod powers that will make you distrust me?
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    The fact that you have the power to do somthign makes me distrust you. It's enough to make me distrust you anyway. Put that on top of the fact that you have a higher chance of doing it that makes me distrust you.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Do you distrust doctors?
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Frankly yes. they have the power over life and death.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    I'm curious, what gives Cygan a "higher chance" of abusing her power? aside from the fact that she has the power.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    -sigh-

    Do you trust anybody?
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    edited 2011-06-28 01:10:05
    She doesn't like me. She has motive. At this point no not really. if I can't trust the governmetn and can't trust private orginizations there's no one left. I'd rather deal with the private orginizations since it gives me more options then to deal with one orginization that forces me to buy their stuff but it's still not ideal. I just don't trust people.
  • BobBob
    -_-'
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    -sigh-

    I give up. You're irrational. We can't argue with an irrational person.
  • CounterclockCounterclock
    Belief
    That's a pretty sad outlook on life, really.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    I'd rather deal with a private independent orginization then the state really the stae isn't accountable because of its power. That's what bugs me the state can monopolize industries and services, force you to pay for their version, and they get off scott free. It's a double standard.
  • FrodoGoofballCoTVFrodoGoofballCoTV
    At some point, though, you have to trust.  You have to empower others, you have to give them a chance to do the right thing, or they won't.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I'd rather deal with a private independent orginization then the state really the stae isn't accountable because of its power.

    Private organizations are only accountable because of the government.
  • CommandoDudeCommandoDude
    edited 2011-06-28 01:17:31
    CRIMINAL SCUM!
    "So better to have the lawful authority take what's mine?"

    You had nothing to begin with. Your concept of "Mine" is an illusion. One that, ironically, is allowed to continue reinforcing itself because of said lawful authority protecting it.

    "Why even bother living with that sort of Outlook CommandoDude it's depressing as all hell."

    Because it's the truth? Sorry for being a realist?

    That maybe one can accept that fact and live with it?

    What's really sadder? My outlook, or yours?
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