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I'm really scared that my country is starting to gravitate towards Fascism

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  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    I mean gov ernment c0ntrolls aspects of every little thing.

    Impossible. citizens have proven that the government cannot do that since it would take too much money to control "aspects of every little thing" since most things don't even need to be controlled. Like grass. or butterflies, or people taking a shit or dying.

    rationing out resources by the threat of force, controlling our social and personal behaviors.

    Why would they do that besides being fantasy villains and putting their citizens in shitty moods for absolutely no reason? Most people with evil ambitions like that never get opportunities to become in charge of military forces or even become part of the government since everyone thinks their insane and have nothing to offer to the country, and when they do get into power they will have a high change of getting assassinated, either by the civilians or the military force that work for them. I, for one, wouldn't work for a crazy fuck like that, or a giant council of crazy fucks.

    I've pretty much stopped trusting any sort of authority or orginization.


    Even your internet provider, electric company, the farmers who grow your food and the water filtration plant that provides your water? Do you live in the woods with a Solarpanel based powergrid with tinfoil antennae pirated internet signals with a computer made from wood and magnesium?
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:00:48
    Hell i'd love if that e4re possible.  finally get away from the whims of the state.  and no I don't place trust ikn these companies. Government and corporations are the exact same thing to me.. As for "they wouldn't do that" tell that to North Korea, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China. every state will devolve in to left-statism or right-statism unless kept in check.

    I also have a hard time swallowing this romanticized view of the stat being our saviors from the evil businesses and rich people.
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:03:55
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    I also have a hard time swallowing this romanticized view of the stat
    being our saviors from the evil businesses and rich people.

    ? The Glacier National Park and Northwest Electric is evil?

    Max Baucus and Jon Tester are something to be protected from even though they are making my state better by increasing the amount of funding for highways and roads?
  • the former I'm not sure about but I wouldn't say the latter is evil consideirng they're donating so much to charitable orginizations.      
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    They are Montana's senators.
  • then yeah I wouldn't trust them.
  • The ends in this case do not justify the means yeah they're increasing funding but out of whos pockets?
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:13:16
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    "Yes, they are doing something wonderful, but because they are affiliated with something I hate I will never respect them or trust them."

    I felt the same way about Vocaloids. I loved Luka, and Double Lariat, until I realized she was a Vocaloid. Then I hated her and ditched my Luka avatar.

    Because the fact that Luka is affiliated with nico marketing garbage will always mean her music is shit and nobody should like her.
  • So you get where i'm coming from? It's also an issue of the means where are they getting the funding for this?
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    They are getting it from Montana taxes and State salaries, which I pay and forget about until Tax season and they use to do meaningful things for the state.
  • See? They're getting the money b7y taking it from the people by force. Through excessive taxation.
  • In this case it's about ends not justifying the means.
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:21:21
    CRIMINAL SCUM!
    "don't fucking pull that card."

    Why? Because you sound so fucking hypocritical?

    You complain, vilify, and demonize any government or social institution with any kind of hierarchy, all while you sit comfortably in your home, reaping the opportunity, comfort, and freedom provided to you BY said structures. You exercise your freedoms of speech, enjoying a relative margin of safety granted by your county's police department, your state's national guard, and your country's military, from domestic, international, and natural threat. Electricity is supplied to your conveniences, enabling your internet rants. Then you can go into your kitchen and drink a cup of water, which you know is free of unhealthy substances such as heavy metals or bacteria. And then you go relieve yourself on the toilet, which works, and your waste is processed so the water in it can be reused.

    So really, when push comes to shove, and you bitch about "Hey, don't play that card" what you're really saying, is that you're perfectly content to take advantage of all the things an organized society provides for you, and that you wouldn't REALLY be interested in living in a place where none of the above things are guaranteed, just to get away from that ''big bad gov'ment"
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Excessive taxation? I give the least amount of fucks about paycheck Taxation since the taxes are relatively low here. There's no sales tax here, which means purchasing things doesn't multiply it by 8% or whatever that number is because the state gets the majority of it's funding from wildlife preserves, the revenue from the Glacier National Park and wilderness-based government programs. Better to do that than to gain it from making me pay 62.91 for Dragon Quest 9 or some other idiotic shit like that.

    Excessive taxation is hardly excessive here. I still have enough money to buy food, and pay my electric bill twice.
  • Actually roads are a special case Congress has authority there per Article I, Section 8. Clause 7
  • ^You know how you're always afraid the government tries to control all aspects of life, and people dismiss it as paranoia? Here's philosophy by a French poof to actually back up your ideas with academic sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopower (also try Agamben, even though he is even more unreadable than Foucault).

     

     

  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Section 8.

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

    To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

    To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

    To establish post offices and post roads;

    To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

    To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

    To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

    To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

    To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

    To provide and maintain a navy;

    To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

    To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

    To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


    Gee, thank you for leading me to this. It brings up a lot of interesting points that seem to prove that it's impossible for congress to become a totalitarian oppressive political power.
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:34:11
    thanks man. I do have a certain admiration for the French honestly they've given quite a bit to my country and Classical Liberalism is still alive and well over there. Impossible only if it is followed. Also check Section 9 which places further limits on congress and Amendment X which establishes that all powers not specifically granted to the federal government in Article I Section 8 or specifically prohibited to it by Section 9. Nor Prohibited to the states by Article I Section 10, Article IV, or the individual State Constitutions are reserved as state decisions so it depends on if your senators are in violation of Article I Section 10, Article IV, or any Amendments to the Constitution.
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:31:23
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Also, it's clause 6, not 7, and it only has to do with making a post road, which are roads designated for delivery of mail by the post office, from the post office. Not controlling funding of the roads.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection

  • Under Sarkozy? Hahaha, nope, under him it's gravitating more and more towards America. Ever wondered why the French go on ineffectual strikes so much?
  • edited 2011-06-22 01:46:27
    Where does Sarkozy stand on the Spectrum if memoy serves correctly the big split is between Liberals and Socialists.

    Also Vorpy since it is I think the state government of your state handling the roads it may pass under the tenth Amendment
  • That still doesn't say anything I'm quite fond of the symbolism that the Statue of Liberty is supposed to represent and part of my admiration for the French. irt doesnt' say a damn thing about Sarkozey
  • Also keep in mind that my eyesight is only slightly better then that of a mole. I can't read half of that.
  • Bush sez: Wait a minute, this French guy is more American than me! That is insane!
  • Sorry I f it took me a while. I was trying to remember the name of a pollitical theorist that i'm quite fond of. Have youe ver heard of Isaiah Berlin?
  • Only in passing. However, this strikes me as something you(and me, too) should adhere to more closely, seeing how willy-nilly you throw around buzzwords like fascism without ever defining it more concretely:

    "Berlin argued for a nuanced and subtle understanding of our political terminology, where what was superficially understood as a single concept could mask a plurality of different uses and therefore meanings. Berlin argued that these multiple and differing concepts, otherwise masked by rhetorical conflations, showed the plurality and incompatibility of human values, and the need for us to distinguish and trade off analytically between, rather than conflate, them, if we are to avoid disguising underlying value-conflicts."

  • edited 2011-06-22 02:38:41
    I'm tyring to use fascism properly from my understanding of it Fascism is where the government has no problem admitting that it is a MegaCorp and eveyrone else is Cattle.  Let's put it this way. You have two cows. Depending on what the system is different things may happen.

    Capitalism- You have tow cows, You sell one to your neighbor and buy a bull.

    Communism- You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides
    you with milk. You wait in line for you share of the milk, but it's so long
    that the milk is sour by the time you get it.

    Socialism-You have two cows. The government takes one of your cows
    and gives it to your neighbor. You're both forced to join a cooperative where
    you have to teach your neighbor how to take care of his cow.

    Fascism- You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to
    take care of them, and sells you the milk.
  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/You_have_two_cows/31#Traditional_Capitalism

    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/You_have_two_cows/17

    This probably veers too much into the direction of oversimplification, but hell if it isn't funny.

     

     

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