NSFW: This sexist piece of crap...

AHR

The difference between rapey and misogyny is this:

Rape is a fetish. Misogyny is a mental mindset. In porn, anyway.

When we say "it's rapey" we're not saying that as a detractor, the same way people wouldn't say people growing huge in a macrophilia porno is a detractor.

Radd

But still, "Women are best barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" is misogynistic.

AHR

Yes. It is. But it seems like that's a POV thing. It's a sexist/misogynist character. 

BlackHumor

And, um, I'm not saying it is misogynistic. I'm saying that sections of the story carry really rapey vibes.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were quoting me as an implicit refutation.

No, no, it's sexist.

Again, just because the characters are sexist doesn't mean the story is. The story and the author are not endorsing that kind of thing in the real world in any way, therefore it is not sexist.

Chagen

Yes.

Author =/= POV character.

An author can choose to have his characters espouse views that don't match with his own.

Radd

But by the end every character believes that women who tease deserve rape. I think that says something about the author of the story.

Chagen

What?

Every character =/= one character

Radd

There are three characters.

The main character obviously believes this.

The rape victim:

"What did we learn, here?"

She was sobbing so hard she couldn't answer. I swatted her ass again.

"What did we learn?"

"Not to tease."

The brother:

I heard a noise at the door and saw her brother just staring. 

"Get her good Adam! Let her have it!"

That's every character.

AHR

Of course the woman "learned" that's the whole point of mental and emotional manipulation. Standard abuse tactic. You see it in irl abuse victims all the time, only not played for eroticism. 

Chagen

Once again, an Author does not have to have the characters express his views.

You are reading way too much into this.

Nova

And therein is the problem with this story.

It is treated in a positive light.

AHR

Actually, I'm impressed with how negative it goes. Plenty of times it will end wayyyy more positively. Like (since I read guy on guy) the other guy moving in with the main guy and his wife, and having one big happy OT3. Annoying as hell, but some people like their "happy endings"

Chagen

Cygan: Oh for FUCKS SAKE

IT'S PORN

Yes, we know that Rape is horrible in real life.

This is not real life.

This is fiction.

Just let me jerk off in peace

BlackHumor

The victim never believes that; she's obviously saying that to get him away from her.

Not to mention this is the most rapey I've ever seen a rape get. Most of the time it's just "oh and he raped her"; this story goes into pretty explicit and honestly bonerkilling detail about how much she doesn't like it.

Nova

^^ Uh, no.

Chagen

Cygan: And why not? Don't pull that "it enforces that rape is okay" bullshit. That's been disproven so fucking much it's fucking hilarious.

Stop trying to dictate what I do with MYFUCKING PENIS.

It's mine, and as long as no one is harmed, I can do whatever the FUCK I want with it.

Nova

For the same reason it's not treated as okay for people to beat themselves off to explicit pictures of lolicon children.

BlackHumor

Chagen, you've done that so much to other people I think you got the right to not have it done to you revoked a LOOOOONG time ago.

Nova

^

AHR

While I think Chagen is being...Chagen, I do think that you are taking this a bit too close to heart. I understand why you would, but you don't have much ground to stand on for this piece, at least to make an argument. Only personal observations. I mean, gorn squicks the hell out of me. I once read something that had teeth pulling for eroticism, and Iback buttoned immediately. But that doesn't mean I expected the people who DID like it to be ready to go pull some teeth, or for the story to actually be promoting said teeth pulling.

Porn is, well, porn. You can't claim it to be dangerous or as harmful as the actual thing, because for the most part, the dynamics and lead up are completely different. Rape has nothing to do with sex. No, really. It has to do with power. Some people might find power erotic, but that's just it, they see it as something sexual. And that is a crucial difference. Not to mention that plenty of people find porn arousing because they desire to be the submitting one. It's a complicated relationship, and not one easily understood right away, but it is an entirely harmless one, as is this writing.

I mean, if someone likes the idea of someone eating someone else, more power to them. Enjoy their vore porn. I won't read it, but I am sure it is splendid. Enjoy their macrophilia porn. Their foot fetish porn. Their dissection porn. Their shotacon porn. Their guro porn. Their explosion porn. Their coprophilia porn. Whatever it is, you don't choose what gets you off anymore than you can choose orientation. I spent most of my young tween years thinking there was something WRONG with me, something defective, something wholly unique about my sick mind, because of what I fantasized of. It was only later I came to terms with it. I don't think the world needs more people to criticize niche marketing of that variety, because for the most part, it is a very inaccurate judge of character. 

Chagen

Cygan: Which is also bullshit.

I can jerk to a FICTIONAL 10-Year-Old however much I want to.

You see that word I bolded? I'll say it again: FICTIONAL. As in, NOT REAL.

Vorpy

FUCKING GRRRR FURIOUSLY MASTURBATING TO YUUKI

ENFORCE RAPE BULLSHIT FUCKING HAHAHAHAHA

DONT FUCK WITH MY SUBMISSIVE MOE GIRLS AND MAKE ME FEEL GUILTY

FUCKING GRRRRRRRRRRR RIP AND TEAR MOTHER FUCKING BAWWWWWW

Nova

Have you never heard of association, Chagen?

Forzare

Chagen, your posts are so over the top and ridiculous that any valid points you might be making are utterly and completely lost.

Chagen

Cygan: Yes, and any SANE AND NORMAL PERSON is. ABLE. TO. DISTINGUISH. BETWEEN. FICTION. AND. REALITY.

i'm going to get a heart attack if I keep this up

AHR

...

Oh come on, I posted the last post? 

I am going to repost it.

While I think Chagen is being...Chagen, I do think that you are taking this a bit too close to heart. I understand why you would, but you don't have much ground to stand on for this piece, at least to make an argument. Only personal observations. I mean, gorn squicks the hell out of me. I once read something that had teeth pulling for eroticism, and Iback buttoned immediately. But that doesn't mean I expected the people who DID like it to be ready to go pull some teeth, or for the story to actually be promoting said teeth pulling.

Porn is, well, porn. You can't claim it to be dangerous or as harmful as the actual thing, because for the most part, the dynamics and lead up are completely different. Rape has nothing to do with sex. No, really. It has to do with power. Some people might find power erotic, but that's just it, they see it as something sexual. And that is a crucial difference. Not to mention that plenty of people find porn arousing because they desire to be the submitting one. It's a complicated relationship, and not one easily understood right away, but it is an entirely harmless one, as is this writing.

I mean, if someone likes the idea of someone eating someone else, more power to them. Enjoy their vore porn. I won't read it, but I am sure it is splendid. Enjoy their macrophilia porn. Their foot fetish porn. Their dissection porn. Their shotacon porn. Their guro porn. Their explosion porn. Their coprophilia porn. Whatever it is, you don't choose what gets you off anymore than you can choose orientation. I spent most of my young tween years thinking there was something WRONG with me, something defective, something wholly unique about my sick mind, because of what I fantasized of. It was only later I came to terms with it. I don't think the world needs more people to criticize niche marketing of that variety, because for the most part, it is a very inaccurate judge of character. People who read and enjoy vore porn are no more likely to go and eat someone as they are to get a stick of dynamite because they watched the Looney Tunes.

Vorpy

Actually no, because just like how when people use small animals for murder proxies, which will let them get more comfortable with taking lives, people can use animation for sexual abuse proxies, which will get them more comfortable with sexually abusing and violating real people.

Radd

It's not even the rape. It's the motivations, it's the sexist attitude, the story is named after a sexist term.

BlackHumor

Ah, Chagen: all for nude pictures of kiddie porn and yet the instant someone mentions they've had actual sex with two people EVER he goes all OMG YOUR SO EVIL I CAND BELIEVE YOU!1!

But otherwise I agree with AHR, other than to say that "Rape has nothing to do with sex" is overstating it a little. "Rape has less to do with sex than you'd think", yes. Even "rape has almost nothing to do with sex". But sex without consent cannot have nothing to do with sex because sex is in the definition of the term.

EDIT: ALSO VORPY YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY FROM THIS THREAD WITHOUT TELLING ME WHAT FEEDCAST IS!!!

Forzare

i'm going to get a heart attack if I keep this up

That's your fault.  Take a deep breath and calm the hell down.