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So I finally decided to watch an episode of My Little Pony

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  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    I think 'deep' is okay.
  • GelzoGelzo
    edited 2011-06-07 21:38:49
    Pony Sleuth
    ^^^I don't get why. I've admitted that complexity doesn't necessarily make a work better. And what was my argument anyway? If I'm arguing that MLP is more complex, do I lose the argument by saying MLP is more complex?

    ^That's probably an even worse word to use.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    You're missing the point there Gelzo. she's simply saying that you implied that MLP was complex. Because for something to be more complex than X, it must possess at least a level of complexity.
  • NovaNova
    edited 2011-06-07 21:39:52
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    ^
  • GelzoGelzo
    edited 2011-06-07 21:41:55
    Pony Sleuth
    That sounds very silly to me. Doesn't everything have a level of complexity?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Nope.
  • snowbullsnowbull
    edited 2011-06-07 21:43:05
    Cue-bey
    Surely MLP is more complex than, say most pornography.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    I know this goes without saying but complexity is subjective.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-06-07 21:45:02
    You can change. You can.
    Depends on what do you define by most complex. Because porn is still based around aesthetical concepts, camera work, sound work, etc etc that could be argued to be deeper than MLP. And you could argue that this is complex.

    ^ Not really, no.
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    Man, I'm fed up with your bullshit semantics.

    How about saying K-On! is simpler than MLP, would you be happy with that?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Works can be simple, too.

    A work really needs to be, well, complex, before it can be called complex. If not, it's a simple work.

    I usually draw the line at... If a 5-year-old can understand it, then it's not complex.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    Wait so MLP doesn't have aesthetical concepts, camera work, sound work, art, plot, characterization, etc?
  • TheMightyAnonymTheMightyAnonym
    ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    MLP has a number of well written characters, and the like. Though its depth is limited by the fact that it is episodic.

    The second season will probably be more linear.

    That said, I think we need to define what we would call "complexity".
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I don't hate K-On, for the record, I just think that MLPFiM is better.
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    At Cygan: Then it's complex to a 4 year old.
  • evilnekoevilneko
    edited 2011-06-07 21:50:49
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-06-07 21:53:50
    You can change. You can.
    Man, I'm fed up with your bullshit semantics.


    Welcome to It Just Bugs Me, Mister Gelzo, apparently, you have been here before, but you have forgotten some of the ropes. Oh well, lemme run you through the basics, shall we?

    1. Whenever an argument is started, the other side will scrutinize it and base its logic on how its formed. Except when they're being irrational, which is when they will claim they are right. Via a claim
    2. People will always let their preferences and love for X show, as will as their dislike and hate. It is something we're trying to fight. Or at least, reduce to not-so-obnoxious levels.
    3. People will always argue the silliest shit.
    4. the more serious a thread is, the faster it will get into shitposting/derail mode.
    5. All of this is a biased account. Taking it seriously is considered a thought crime and thus deserves a ban idiotic.

    Wait so MLP doesn't have aesthetical concepts, camera work, sound work, art, plot, characterization, etc?

    Yes, but that doesn't make it necessarily complex. But my point is simply that comparing an entire genre against one show is utterly ridiculous. As much as I dislike porn with plots, I don't think that the whole genre is inherently dumb.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    It was a four-year-old I watched it with, and she understood it just fine.

    "Spike is drunky like Daddy ^_^  I hope he doesn't hit Fluttershy too..."
  • ViviVivi
    $80+ per session
    The point is not everyone is going to understand.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    ...elaborate, please.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    To clarify my earlier point.

    In order for things to be considered 'complex', there must be a standard for them to be measured against. In order for 'complex' to exist, so must 'simple'.
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    Let's say A is the baseline for complexity. Comparing it to B, B can be considered more or less complex/simple. It's possible that B is never on its own considered complex/simple, but that doesn't make the previous sentence untrue.

    A mouse is huge compared to an insect, but I don't claim mice are huge.
  • TheMightyAnonymTheMightyAnonym
    edited 2011-06-08 00:00:46
    ~♥YES♥~! I *AM* a ~♥cupcake♥~! ^_^
    The difference though, is that we know *precisely* what "huge" is referring to. But what is "complex" referring to?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    But taken from a generalized viewpoint- which is what I was talking from- the mice are still very small.

    I did agree that MLP is more complex than K-On. However, to be honest, neither are very complex at all.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    The person who posts under me decides if I like K-On! or MLP more.
  • GelzoGelzo
    edited 2011-06-08 00:05:42
    Pony Sleuth
    A work's introduction of new and unfamiliar concepts and topics, depth of characters, stuff like that.

    ^^That's what I was saying, though. What did you find issue with?

    You like MLP more.
  • DYREDYRE
    edited 2011-06-08 00:04:56
    K-On!

    EDIT: Damn it, Gelzo posted before me.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    But what is "complex" referring to?

    Character dynamics, character interactions, morality of the world, moral complexity of the antagonists/protagonists, the difficulty of the decisions they face, the adversity they must overcome, the value of their failures as compared to the value of their successes, the underlying mythology, the motivations of the characters, the history of the characters, the number of plot threads, the way the plot threads interact.

    The setting of the world, the position of the world on the idealism/cynical scale, the world/its races/its grammars/physical locations/animals, the vibrancy of the world itself.

    The camera angles used and their effectiveness, the character's interactions with the scenery, the background characters and their actions compared to the characters.

    And much, much, much more.

    It's a very... complicated dynamic in and of itself.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    I'd say that MLP is fairly complex, at least considering its intended age-range and target audience.

    When I was that age, we had Goosebumps books, and MLP has those beat hands-down.

    For a more contemporary comparison, watched MLP back-to-back with Strawberry Shortcake's Berry-Bitty Adventures. You should be able to spot the difference in depth quite easily.
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    That's what I was saying, though. What did you find issue with?

    The fact that you brought up the complexity of the shows at all. It was not a point in either of the shows' favour. It did not help My Little Pony's position when you tried to claim it was 'complex'. Admittedly, it was true when compared to K-On; but it was pointless to bring up unless you can say it has a level of complexity in itself.
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