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  • TheConductorTheConductor
    No, actually doctors don't have the right to withhold treatment. That's part of their oath.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Yeah you pretyt much are. If you sacrifice the individual to the collective you are.
  • FrodoGoofballCoTVFrodoGoofballCoTV
    edited 2011-05-24 01:56:23

    Wealth over healthcare.

    Although I might have misread...if I did so, I apologize.

    Ah, OK.  That isn't quite what I intended to imply.  What I intended to imply is that as a voter, I claim a right to expect the ends (healthcare) justify the means (wealth).

    I am also implying that I would prefer the burden of proof be placed on justifying spending as opposed to justifying not spending, and I do not believe that to be the case currently in many countries.

  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    what hath Hell wrought
  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Fire and brimstone.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Tnu, what you consider to be just may not be what other people consider to be just.

    Not to mention that you're thinking in a lot of theoretical terms and political philosophy and that's all good and well until you actually try to apply your thinking to real-life situations.

    Because in real life, you have to make some very hard choices.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Who set that oath up? a Unanimous collection of the doctors of the world? or is it merely an individual understanding?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Who set that oath up? a Unanimous collection of the doctors of the world? or is it merely an individual understanding? 

  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    @Frodo
    When you say:
    I am also implying that I would prefer the burden of proof be placed on justifying spending as opposed to justifying not spending, and I do not believe that to be the case currently in many countries.

    In regards to healthcare, why not like at the WHO's reports on healthcare, and see that America spends so much more on healthcare than those countries with 'socialised' healthcare, yet is ranked lower in terms of healthcare provided. (As well as other indicator like average age of death etc.)
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    then we need to stop subsidizing it and encouraging unsavory business practices
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > implying that business practices in the absence of regulation are always savory
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    > Implying that regulations only solve everything and don't have any negative side effects whatsoever.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    >strawman
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Can someone please interpret that?
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Wait did we both straw-man or just me?
  • NovaNova
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Glenn didnt say anything about regulations being good, Tnu.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    edited 2011-05-24 21:32:59
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Both, I guess.

    ^ Well then just tnu. I've not read most of the thread lately. 
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    No, just Tnu.
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    Sorry about that got very defensive.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-05-24 21:40:43
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Yeah, regulations do restrict people from doing things as freely and easily.

    However, people doing things completely freely and easily causes other bad effects.

    So you get both together.  The only question is how much of each.

    As I said, as a real-life policymaker, you would have to make difficult choices.  How much are you willing to suffer the bad effects to let businesses operate unfettered?  On the other hand, what restrictions are you willing to put on business practices to keep the air and water clean and to keep businesses from unfairly squashing competition?
  • Tnu1138Tnu1138
    usually i'll err on the side of freedom and less intervention by some sort of government hands.
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